This fuckface is the worst thing ever happened to Juventus. Fuck him, fuck that son of a bitch marotta who brought this calamity here and fuck those who still have a remotely positive thing to say about these two.
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We were horribly prepared for these two games. Unacceptable having basically a fit squad and seeing how we’ve been playing. Honestly playing 3 defenders doesn’t give us any advantage if we concede 3 goals, we basically always mis a player in the build up and our midfielders have to compensate the lack of a extra attacking player by playing very high up the pitch.
This were basically the games where he could reinvent the squad with a new tactic (433 or 4231) instead of asking Di Maria to basically create everything starting from our own box
I don’t want to be ungrateful, if we’d win the EL I was okay with him staying but final conclusions should be made and the simple truth it that we’ve been horrible for two consecutive years. We should flash those 30m gross down the drain and fire him.
This were basically the games where he could reinvent the squad with a new tactic (433 or 4231) instead of asking Di Maria to basically create everything starting from our own box
I don’t want to be ungrateful, if we’d win the EL I was okay with him staying but final conclusions should be made and the simple truth it that we’ve been horrible for two consecutive years. We should flash those 30m gross down the drain and fire him.
I do believe he is burning inside with the failures over the past 2 years but maintains basic press conferences and team talks to try to transmit serenity to the board and his mentally fragile team, with many youngsters.
Surely the only way he survives past this season is if our board is still in a bit of turmoil following the impending sanctions. There is far too much animosity from a large portion of the fanbase and the body language from a number of the ‘top players’ for him to survive otherwise.
I don’t believe the current board have a clue about football to understand how his dinosaur ball is perceived by the footballing world.
Surely the only way he survives past this season is if our board is still in a bit of turmoil following the impending sanctions. There is far too much animosity from a large portion of the fanbase and the body language from a number of the ‘top players’ for him to survive otherwise.
I don’t believe the current board have a clue about football to understand how his dinosaur ball is perceived by the footballing world.
Allegri aside, we have downgraded our squad over that period. I was saying it here in the summer as well, we got weaker in each of the last two summers.
I don't expect to win the scudetto while weakening the team in the market, but I do expect to play better football. If we don't win, and we play such boring football then what is the point. At least the young players have given meaning to the season.
Swapping Dybala for Di Maria was a big mistake. "Replacing" Cristiano Ronaldo with Kean is hilarious. All while our big players got older.
I don't expect to win the scudetto while weakening the team in the market, but I do expect to play better football. If we don't win, and we play such boring football then what is the point. At least the young players have given meaning to the season.
Swapping Dybala for Di Maria was a big mistake. "Replacing" Cristiano Ronaldo with Kean is hilarious. All while our big players got older.
Downgrading the squad is not an excuse for the way we play, its an excuse for why we won't make the latter stages of the CL, but no way an excuse for this shocking season.
Managers like Pirlo and Sarri can be criticised for lack of experience and getting exposed tactically, which is why they weren't successful but, we saw how they were exposed and it requires some effort and awareness.
With Allegri we don't play at all. We retreat and concede goals then scramble to salvage the game. We can play but the tactics prohibit it. That is the problem. It's cost us two easy cup wins. We predicted this from week ago and the expected result happened. If we didn't retreat after scoring the goal, we go to play Roma in the final.
Like I said, this squad might not be the best but there is a lot of talent, many young and hungry players, and also some very experienced old heads. We are good enough if we make the move for a new manager, not even an elite one, just someone with some desire for attacking play.
Managers like Pirlo and Sarri can be criticised for lack of experience and getting exposed tactically, which is why they weren't successful but, we saw how they were exposed and it requires some effort and awareness.
With Allegri we don't play at all. We retreat and concede goals then scramble to salvage the game. We can play but the tactics prohibit it. That is the problem. It's cost us two easy cup wins. We predicted this from week ago and the expected result happened. If we didn't retreat after scoring the goal, we go to play Roma in the final.
Like I said, this squad might not be the best but there is a lot of talent, many young and hungry players, and also some very experienced old heads. We are good enough if we make the move for a new manager, not even an elite one, just someone with some desire for attacking play.
Pretty well agree with all of this, but I wanted to say
Us playing with 3 defenders isn't the problem imo, it's that we play with 10 of them. Our back 3 of Gatti - Bremer - Danilo is easily the strongest area of our squad, and they do so well that it's entirely unnecessary for us to sit so deep to cover them, or to pin our wingbacks into a back 5, with Rabiot and Locatelli sitting in front, and our forwards covering their absence by sitting in the midfield. If it was a 352 instead of a 532/550 it would actually give us more players in attack than a system with a back 4 might.
You're spot on that our midfielders have far too much ground to cover. They are playing as both defenders and attackers every game, and it's just wasteful strategising. This especially because when we attack it's rarely to 'set up' in the opposition half- rather it's usually that we pass forward to an over-eager (due to being starved for possession) Chiesa or Vlahovic and quickly lose it, and then everybody has to run back into an ultra defensive position.
Us playing with 3 defenders isn't the problem imo, it's that we play with 10 of them. Our back 3 of Gatti - Bremer - Danilo is easily the strongest area of our squad, and they do so well that it's entirely unnecessary for us to sit so deep to cover them, or to pin our wingbacks into a back 5, with Rabiot and Locatelli sitting in front, and our forwards covering their absence by sitting in the midfield. If it was a 352 instead of a 532/550 it would actually give us more players in attack than a system with a back 4 might.
You're spot on that our midfielders have far too much ground to cover. They are playing as both defenders and attackers every game, and it's just wasteful strategising. This especially because when we attack it's rarely to 'set up' in the opposition half- rather it's usually that we pass forward to an over-eager (due to being starved for possession) Chiesa or Vlahovic and quickly lose it, and then everybody has to run back into an ultra defensive position.
Yeah I have to say though that in general I do believe that 352 isn’t the answer for European games. The teams you face in Europe are way more technical and attack minded than the average team in Italy, therefore we see that basic things such as constructing a decent attack become very difficult. It’s a miracle that Inter reached the final with that tactic, we’ve seen the same when Conte utilised it with us.
I’m 100% sure that with a decent coach and a 433 our coverage on the field would make a huge difference, being able to press higher instead of falling back to two heavily defensive lines and utilising the speed of Chiesa or Iling on the wings with a 433.
If we analyse yesterday, inviting a team to give dozens of crosses in a semi final in Europe honestly is asking for problems, even if we still had BBC as our back 3.
Its a true dinosaur formation. Outdated in every sense of the word
I’m 100% sure that with a decent coach and a 433 our coverage on the field would make a huge difference, being able to press higher instead of falling back to two heavily defensive lines and utilising the speed of Chiesa or Iling on the wings with a 433.
If we analyse yesterday, inviting a team to give dozens of crosses in a semi final in Europe honestly is asking for problems, even if we still had BBC as our back 3.
Its a true dinosaur formation. Outdated in every sense of the word
This is why we should stop this stupid practice of bringing former players and coaches back
You reminisce the good times and have high expectations but when they don't perform at their expected level, you're absolutely shattered.
If you ignore his past and look at his record in the past two seasons, he's pretty much done a job of a mid-table level coach.
The reactions here happen to be extreme and rightfully so because this is the same guy who won 11 trophies with us and played an acceptable standard of football for most of his first stint. So it becomes even more infuriating when you play garbage football, deliver terrible results and do Del Neri style press conferences.
This is probably the biggest fall an accomplished coach has taken in recent times. Especially when you are looking at coaches who have stayed at a single club for a minimum of 3-4 seasons
You reminisce the good times and have high expectations but when they don't perform at their expected level, you're absolutely shattered.
If you ignore his past and look at his record in the past two seasons, he's pretty much done a job of a mid-table level coach.
The reactions here happen to be extreme and rightfully so because this is the same guy who won 11 trophies with us and played an acceptable standard of football for most of his first stint. So it becomes even more infuriating when you play garbage football, deliver terrible results and do Del Neri style press conferences.
This is probably the biggest fall an accomplished coach has taken in recent times. Especially when you are looking at coaches who have stayed at a single club for a minimum of 3-4 seasons
I think it's important to note that obviously football strategy is never as simple as '352' or '433' or '4231'- there are more important aspects to a team's style of play such as overarching approach or philosophy, individual player instructions, player roles, positional fluidity, lopsidedness etc. As such I don't see much sense in writing off a back 3 entirely when it comes to European campaigns. I see it more as both teams have 11 players and it's up to the coach to assemble a system out of the pieces he has.
I also think it always makes sense to start by identifying the best 11 players you have and build from there. We have CBs who began as fullbacks (Danilo, Alex Sandro), and that's something that can be used to make a fluid system which changes shape depending on the situation or phase of play, for example. The role that Mandzukic and Dani Alves had on opposite sides of the same team that is another example of a setup not being as simple as it would be represented by numbers or even with a graphic.
This wasn't a very well-written post, but what I'm tryna say is that I think it's possible to put together an exciting, dynamic, effective team with a back 3- but it depends on the context within which it's deployed. What we're doing now ain't it, clearly. Mazzari's Napoli is one example of a better one. If you upgrade some of the players- his back 3 with what we have now, Kostic for Zuñiga, a better player than Maggio on the right and some good CMs to play with Hamsik in the centre it would be a top team even in today's football imo. I think what I'm saying is we should find a system that works and allows us to play with a back 3 simply because those are our best players and a back 3 doesn't immediately nullify the rest of the team.
As an aside, a big part of why we're fucking up is that our squad doesn't fit any one particular formation. It's a mess, and any system we play necessarily has several players out of position. I suppose that technically even includes Danilo despite that working out well. We need to pick a system and arrange the squad to fit it. If we're really about to buy Pau Torres as a 4th first-choice CB then we truly are clueless.
I also think it always makes sense to start by identifying the best 11 players you have and build from there. We have CBs who began as fullbacks (Danilo, Alex Sandro), and that's something that can be used to make a fluid system which changes shape depending on the situation or phase of play, for example. The role that Mandzukic and Dani Alves had on opposite sides of the same team that is another example of a setup not being as simple as it would be represented by numbers or even with a graphic.
This wasn't a very well-written post, but what I'm tryna say is that I think it's possible to put together an exciting, dynamic, effective team with a back 3- but it depends on the context within which it's deployed. What we're doing now ain't it, clearly. Mazzari's Napoli is one example of a better one. If you upgrade some of the players- his back 3 with what we have now, Kostic for Zuñiga, a better player than Maggio on the right and some good CMs to play with Hamsik in the centre it would be a top team even in today's football imo. I think what I'm saying is we should find a system that works and allows us to play with a back 3 simply because those are our best players and a back 3 doesn't immediately nullify the rest of the team.
As an aside, a big part of why we're fucking up is that our squad doesn't fit any one particular formation. It's a mess, and any system we play necessarily has several players out of position. I suppose that technically even includes Danilo despite that working out well. We need to pick a system and arrange the squad to fit it. If we're really about to buy Pau Torres as a 4th first-choice CB then we truly are clueless.