Massimiliano Allegri (252 Viewers)

[juve123]

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Take these players away from Allegri would they be better? Have they been better for their national teams? Yes

Give Allegri different players (currently) would they be any better? I doubt it.

We have no game plan at all.

Nico schira said that Pochettino was proposed to juve but we rejected him as Agnelli is backing Allegri.Yeah agree that Allegri looks like an outdated coach with no training drills in offensive movements but players like bonucci Cuadrado Alex sandro di Maria are good as finished even though they might perform well in one international friendly or one tournament.

 

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Nico schira said that Pochettino was proposed to juve but we rejected him as Agnelli is backing Allegri.Yeah agree that Allegri looks like an outdated coach with no training drills in offensive movements but players like bonucci Cuadrado Alex sandro di Maria are good as finished even though they might perform well in one international friendly or one tournament.

Pochettino is not Italian and doesn't play football from 30 years ago, so of course he'll be rejected.

 

[s4tch]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you that this team is utter shit and performing largely to it’s level, thus absolving himself from any blame.
And poof, just like that, he remained for what feels like an eternity.

should i quote myself saying many, many times that the team is shit but not this shit? team is obviously underperforming this season.

again, let's not make it black and white. there are multiple points to make that are not mutually exclusive:
- allegri is failing, no debate on this i guess, only agnelli is backing him at this point. this season is an utter failure, no two ways about it
- the quality of the team has been in a continuous decline since 2015 when we failed to replace vidal with similar quality. ever since we often did sideways steps, rarely brought in real quality to key positions, with ronaldo being the only glaring exception, and i'd also argue that higuain was a step up, although too expensive. otherwise we replaced pogba with pjanic (downgrade), chiellini with de ligt (downgrade), evra with sandro (slight upgrade), licht with cancelo (sideways step due to different skills), pjanic with arthur (huge downgrade), spina with pellegrini (clear downgrade), tevez with dybala (downgrade), de ligt with bremer (fuck knows at this point, sample too small, probably not a huge upgrade or downgrade, we'll see on the long run; i like bremer so far), bonucci with bonucci 2.0 (clear downgrade), benatia with rugani (downgrade), marchisio with bentancur/locatelli maybe (night and day), ronaldo with kean? (lol) etc etc, i could go on for an hour
- same with coaches: allegri 1.0 >>> sarri >>> pirlo >>> allegri 2.0 fuck me sideways, it breaks my heart (((((( i so wanted both pirlo and allegri 2.0 to work.
- same with managers: marotta + tici >>> tici alone, then i honestly have no idea how to evaluate bene&bini after only 2 seasons, surely not a huge upgrade with pogba's and paredes' huge salary
- agnelli 1.0 >>> agnelli 2.0 and it's not even close

 

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[Clamarc]

should i quote myself saying many, many times that the team is shit but not this shit? team is obviously underperforming this season.

again, let's not make it black and white. there are multiple points to make that are not mutually exclusive:
- allegri is failing, no debate on this i guess, only agnelli is backing him at this point. this season is an utter failure, no two ways about it
- the quality of the team has been in a continuous decline since 2015 when we failed to replace vidal with similar quality. ever since we often did sideways steps, rarely brought in real quality to key positions, with ronaldo being the only glaring exception, and i'd also argue that higuain was a step up, although too expensive. otherwise we replaced pogba with pjanic (downgrade), chiellini with de ligt (downgrade), evra with sandro (slight upgrade), licht with cancelo (sideways step due to different skills), pjanic with arthur (huge downgrade), spina with pellegrini (clear downgrade), tevez with dybala (downgrade), de ligt with bremer (fuck knows at this point, sample too small, probably not a huge upgrade or downgrade, we'll see on the long run; i like bremer so far), bonucci with bonucci 2.0 (clear downgrade), benatia with rugani (downgrade), marchisio with bentancur/locatelli maybe (night and day), ronaldo with kean? (lol) etc etc, i could go on for an hour
- same with coaches: allegri 1.0 >>> sarri >>> pirlo >>> allegri 2.0 fuck me sideways, it breaks my heart (((((( i so wanted both pirlo and allegri 2.0 to work.
- same with managers: marotta + tici >>> tici alone, then i honestly have no idea how to evaluate bene&bini after only 2 seasons, surely not a huge upgrade with pogba's and paredes' huge salary
- agnelli 1.0 >>> agnelli 2.0 and it's not even close

I understand your point that the squad is bad, or management, or the club as a whole. But just look at Sacchi quote few posts earlier. He also put emphasis on gameplan and system and only the coach can do that.
Again we can't change entire squad in one mercato, and I guess changing the management also complicated things.
Allegri might look like a single scapegoat to you but the easiest solution is always changing the coach and hopefully we can find someone that fit to the environment and have clear ideas.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Good news the boss has a new ho. As we know, new wife means new energy. He was probably underperforming due to some other bitch distracting him, we know how it works.

 

[PhRoZeN]

Good news the boss has a new ho. As we know, new wife means new energy. He was probably underperforming due to some other bitch distracting him, we know how it works.

new ho means less energy, all that late night sex gonna exhaust mister.

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Can only dream of Gallardo here, would be the perfect replacement.

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Good news the boss has a new ho. As we know, new wife means new energy. He was probably underperforming due to some other bitch distracting him, we know how it works.

She can consult him on how to milk every penny from this club. In the process.. he can ask the club to consult her for players pschycic thearpy for 4 mil per year contract

 

[kappa96]

Sarri didn't lie and he wins the scudetto with that untrainable bunch.
Just imagine what could be done with today's squad.

At least sorri played them in their preferred positions.
As for Allegri, it's not over until I see Bremer as a striker.

 

[JuveJay]

Good news the boss has a new ho. As we know, new wife means new energy. He was probably underperforming due to some other bitch distracting him, we know how it works.

23 match winning streak incoming.

 

[Akshen]

new ho means less energy, all that late night sex gonna exhaust mister.

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Can only dream of Gallardo here, would be the perfect replacement.

exactly new pussy also means no time for anything else until u get bored.

 

[kappa96]

You might not win the UCL, but you might be better than this. I mean, come on, blaming the players for Maccabi? We are sitting in two banks of four in our box with Rugani back there. What do we expect? They hit crosses, it's not difficult to predict. A couple come close and finally one goes in.

Close down the wings against minnows and what do they have left to do. No, of course we just sit in and let the cross come.

McKennie at RM in a deep, narrow, 4-4-2 and we blame the players. Look at the first goal and the time and space! It's the coach who did that. We have Di Maria who played 20 years as a RW and he comes here to play SS and defend the air in the classic 2 striker setup from Sunday League.

What kind of sorecery analysis is this.

"You watch games, but you don't see them" - Allegri established September 2022

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Good news the boss has a new ho. As we know, new wife means new energy. He was probably underperforming due to some other bitch distracting him, we know how it works.

Someone can't wait to be introduced to her.

Hy I'm Andreea "Check out my billions" Agnelli.

 

[juve123]

Arrigo Sacchi: “Buying champions and not having a game plan to put them in the right conditions, what's the point? Money is spent and the results don't come. You need to have a game plan and tactics.” [GdS]

 

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Take these players away from Allegri would they be better? Have they been better for their national teams? Yes

Give Allegri different players (currently) would they be any better? I doubt it.

We have no game plan at all.

The players are the plan. Sometimes you need more than that and guess what ... that isn't the players fault. That is leadership and that starts at the top. Yes Allegro is absolutely prime culrpit. YES Agnelli is making things worse. Yes the players could do more but many appear confused scared low confidence de motivated - its Allegros job to resolve.

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Arrigo Sacchi: “Buying champions and not having a game plan to put them in the right conditions, what's the point? Money is spent and the results don't come. You need to have a game plan and tactics.” [GdS]

I hate agreeing with Sacchi

 

[Akshen]

What kind of sorecery analysis is this.

"You watch games, but you don't see them" - Allegri established September 2022

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Someone can't wait to be introduced to her.

Hy I'm Andreea "Check out my billions" Agnelli.

the answer to his should be "You participate in games, but you dont play them"

 

[s4tch]

I understand your point that the squad is bad, or management, or the club as a whole. But just look at Sacchi quote few posts earlier. He also put emphasis on gameplan and system and only the coach can do that.
Again we can't change entire squad in one mercato, and I guess changing the management also complicated things.
Allegri might look like a single scapegoat to you but the easiest solution is always changing the coach and hopefully we can find someone that fit to the environment and have clear ideas.

oh yeah, that can't be ignored. sacchi is right (like a broken clock twice a day), but look at sarri and his system he had, we still sucked. pirlo had a strict system that he insisted on using and we still sucked

also, spalletti said the other day that systems aren't winning matches anymore, and it's not even the spaces between lines, but the spaces between players that must be exploited. you need quick players with good vision for that. we have basically none of these (bar miretti and he's not even too quick, just finds spaces with passes like nobody else among those not on the treatment table constantly)

allegri should be the first to be fired, no debate on this. i'm just saying that if tuz sticks to its "we have the strongest squad" narrative and expect according performances, tuz might be very disappointed with anyone taking over

 

[Seven]

isn't it funny players are attacked and we scream sell if they have a bad season or two? even if they were great in past? how many people demanded dybala be let go? we see the same with bonucci and cuadrado

but somehow allegri needs to be protected because of 3-0 barca. something that was done not even recently but 6 seasons ago lmao. why does allegri get a pass?

In all fairness I don't do that either.

And with regards to Dybala specifically I have time and time again pointed out how his statistics are very decent.

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Oh, okay. That sums up on how to defend Allegri here, bring up how I misspoke.

2. Sure. Mourinho won it two times but he's a dogshit coach at this point. That means nothing. Past success means nothing if he's not delivering at present. And he's not.

It's not that you misspoke. It's a big difference. Reaching the final twice isn't bad. And knowing which month it is, is pretty important to review the season.

Regardless I wasn't even really defending Allegri. Rather I was pointing out our problems lie much deeper. Look at the squad at our disposal. People say Allegri can only win with good players. Well fuck yeah. We're Juventus. We're supposed to have good players.

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The past doesn't matter. I know it does to some, but past success doesn't guarantee future results. Especially when the person involved got fired in the first place for an obvious lack of ideas and progressing with the times. Of course the management is to blame as well, which is seemingly getting worse year over year by rehiring Allegri and giving him more say in transfers, not to mention all the silly stuff with young players we can't be patient on. But if you're waiting on Allegri to make changes and it's already been well over a year since he's been hired, with results getting worse and worse, you're going to get old pretty fast. Life is short bro, fire Allergi.

If firing Allegri is part of a well thought out strategy on how to improve our club and we bring in people with knowledge on how to build a squad as well as a manger who will shape the identity of that squad I'm all for it.

If we do it just because we want to "shake things up", I don't see how it is going to help.

 

[Strickland]

i'm just saying that if tuz sticks to its "we have the strongest squad" narrative and expect according performances, tuz might be very disappointed with anyone taking over

this season is pretty much done and dusted, the legend Max took care of that, I don't think anything can be salvaged when he finally fucks off. In the long run - from next season onwards - I'm expecting two things:

1. squad building that's targeted towards:
a. specific formation, no more "building for 433" and then starting the season with 11 CMs and 1 attacking winger. sign a sensible coach and build for his formation.
b. salaries in accordance with the reality, if you want to be the best paid mid in the league, you need to be the best mid in the league. For me it's absolutely retarded that we pay 7.5m to Paredes or 10m to Pogba, fucking Bobby Pereyra who earns 1.3m is better than both.
b. a 3-4 project where the team gradually improves and gets better. one or two of di Maria, Pogba, Kostic, Milik and Paredes is ok, you need experience as well, but we need to bring in younger players that will improve with time. current model is not sustainable.

2. Juventus to be in the Scudetto race, to compete locally. We won't build a 100 points team overnight, but we shouldn't be finishing on anything less than 80 and we should be competing for the title.

 

[MrMonkey]

Can’t believe he hasn’t been let go. AA must not want to fork out the money because I see no coaching up of players and successful system of Max this time around. Maybe it’s true what posters are saying that he is just a dinosaur in today’s game?

I look at it this way what if he was the manager of bottom level less talented league squads. He would probably have those teams struggling to not be relagated. OK not enough Juve talent to win the scudetto but play so poorly consistently against inferior teams. IMO It’s mine boggling.

 

[Siamak]

Max Allegri: "Reaction? First of all, tomorrow the Derby will be an emotional game for all. #Torino is a squad that attacks and that puts pressure, it will be a difficult game. We need to be careful and work as a team. We need to get a positive result".

#ToroJuve

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