Massimiliano Allegri (296 Viewers)

[JuveE46]

Really? Then why don’t they?

You need WC players to not look like headless chickens on the field don't you know that?

Being out of ideas and passing the ball at the width of the field in our half is called building from the back now

Allegri is failing to even play like a proper dinosaur. Even the so called defensive mentality he gets accused of I don't even see that done properly.
Standing aloof around our box wtf does it mean been seeing that since last year, no urgency, no Hussle no grinta..zero.

The more I want to give him a chance and I know it's early, new players etc. etc. But I get the feeling this season will be yet again a headache so get ready

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[venus_isle]

Yeah couldnt agree more.. i was still baffled by how pjanic became a different player after joning Juve.

I hope he doesnt limit di maria's creativity this season.

And I really really hope... He doesn't do the fucking 'hold the lead' strategy after getting early goal, especially in series A.. jesus.. id understand if he's doing that in UCL even though that also pisses me off

 

[Vlad]

That's my take as well. Allegri is as risk-aversive as they come and his shadows eventually grow onto players. Pjanic wasn't a sidway passing midfielder when he came. I think he has a keen eye on talent and what that talent need to do to improve. It's just that in the end they regress because they all become "him". This is not an attempted criticism of Allegri. We all influence our surrounding and when you are in a position to actually influence your surrounding then all of you will be influencing your surrounding and not just some parts that you strive to influence with. Sandro was crazy the first year and it's such a shame to see him for the past years because he is a shadow of himself. You can see how great his technique is and everything but emphasis is put on the defensive side so... My criticism of Allegri is instead that he is most likely aware of this and doesn't see that he has a screwdriver but he is using it as a hammer. Why not use screws instead of nails? Why seek creative playmakers as your DMC if you actually only want a destroyer? That part I never understood with him. Would be cheaper to have a Zakaria type there than to take an expensive player and make him into a destroyer. And who is saying the DMC need to be part of the build up? Playmakers can drop deeper.... sorry, for the off topic rant. I wasn't meaning to attack the guy but ended up there anyway.
I like Allegri but it's a shame to see Sandro's regression based on his talent.

Alex Sandro's regressesion has nothing to do with Allegri. He was terrible under Sarri and Pirlo as well. His last good season was 2017/18, under Maxx. He mentally checked out once he signed a new contract.

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Yeah couldnt agree more.. i was still baffled by how pjanic became a different player after joning Juve.

I hope he doesnt limit di maria's creativity this season.

And I really really hope... He doesn't do the fucking 'hold the lead' strategy after getting early goal, especially in series A.. jesus.. id understand if he's doing that in UCL even though that also pisses me off

Someone posted Pjanic' stats, g&a, while in Roma and Juve, his several best seasons. You can find it somewhere in his thread. Not much difference so another myth.

 

[Tak!]

That’s a new one. Let’s ignore that Sandro was probably the one of the top 3 fullbacks around 2017-18 under Allegri and lay it all on Max.

I agree. But eventually you emulate too much from him. In the beginning he was weak defensively but strong in attack. Now he is a decent defender that can't attack. Of course he should shoulder a lot of the blame. But Allegri's impact is seen everywhere. It's not just the case of Sandro.
Again, I want to be clear that Allegri is a good manager. He sees things I don't and I mean that in a positive way. Albeit he works with the players every day, still even if I did I hold him on a high pedestal. In certain aspects I disagree with him, and I think it would be beneficial if he had a Zeman-type of person around him that forced him to be less himself. Someone that he will ignore but still be influenced by.

 

[JCK]

Ah, Sandro is shit because of Max. @JCK

Did you expect anything else?

 

[Strickland]

I agree. But eventually you emulate too much from him. In the beginning he was weak defensively but strong in attack. Now he is a decent defender that can't attack. Of course he should shoulder a lot of the blame. But Allegri's impact is seen everywhere. It's not just the case of Sandro.
Again, I want to be clear that Allegri is a good manager. He sees things I don't and I mean that in a positive way. Albeit he works with the players every day, still even if I did I hold him on a high pedestal. In certain aspects I disagree with him, and I think it would be beneficial if he had a Zeman-type of person around him that forced him to be less himself. Someone that he will ignore but still be influenced by.

Allegri's biggest problem imo is his years long disagreement with Italian journalists and footie commentators on winning football vs beautiful football, its been going on for some 5 years at least. That whole argument drove him mad and tragically in the end Agnelli caved and sacked Allegri because of it.

Now Max is back, but you can see he hasnt let go, he still is like a man on a mission to prove that he was right and that you can play pragmatic, energy conserving, low risk, smart football and that its also beautiful. Stupid thing is he doesnt have the squad full of seasoned, experienced champions anymore, we'd be much better off using our youth and playing like in the early Max days.

 

[Juve_fanatic]

All this after we lost a preseason game vs the worlds best team?

Damn.

Nah....it is process lasting for the last 3 years already...

 

[venus_isle]

Alex Sandro's regressesion has nothing to do with Allegri. He was terrible under Sarri and Pirlo as well. His last good season was 2017/18, under Maxx. He mentally checked out once he signed a new contract.

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Someone posted Pjanic' stats, g&a, while in Roma and Juve, his several best seasons. You can find it somewhere in his thread. Not much difference so another myth.

Last season with roma he got 10 goals 12 assists, with juve he never got double digit goal nor assist ‍

 

[kappa96]

He wasn’t always like this though. No idea what happened to the guy but in his younger days he would run down the line constantly.

This guy was world class for 2 3 years tight until the end of 2018.
I remember that I used to laugh when some wannabe winger tried to take him on. It was practically a rock in the defensive phase.
Only Marcelo was batter than him at his peak in 2017.

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I agree. But eventually you emulate too much from him. In the beginning he was weak defensively but strong in attack. Now he is a decent defender that can't attack.

LOL. Totally the opposite. He was a great at defending because of his speed and good on the offensive phase.
Now he is shit on both phases of the game.

 

[PedroFlu]

Allegri's biggest problem imo is his years long disagreement with Italian journalists and footie commentators on winning football vs beautiful football, its been going on for some 5 years at least. That whole argument drove him mad and tragically in the end Agnelli caved and sacked Allegri because of it.

Now Max is back, but you can see he hasnt let go, he still is like a man on a mission to prove that he was right and that you can play pragmatic, energy conserving, low risk, smart football and that its also beautiful. Stupid thing is he doesnt have the squad full of seasoned, experienced champions anymore, we'd be much better off using our youth and playing like in the early Max days.

I agree with this. Peak Alllegri was a very balanced coach, who was extremely intelligent and succesful in simplifying things.

Then he broke bad and his conservative side became stronger. As he kept winning in some of the ugliest ways I've ever seen, this approach became a bit extreme.

It didn't help last year's squad was shit.

I feel he's on decline, and don't expect him to do any miracles with this years also shit squad. But he's part of the problem, as he clearly works along the management in planning stuff.

 

[Vlad]

Last season with roma he got 10 goals 12 assists, with juve he never got double digit goal nor assist ‍

He had 1 g/a every 147 minutes of play in that season for Roma.

In his 1st season here he had 1 g/a every 155 minutes... He also didnt take all the freekicks, had to share with Dybala.

So I call bs on Allegri ruining him.

 

[Gian]

Last season with roma he got 10 goals 12 assists, with juve he never got double digit goal nor assist ‍

We played him as our deepest CM, trying to make him a regista. Roma played him much more advanced and De Rossi was the DM.

 

[Bjerknes]

I agree with this. Peak Alllegri was a very balanced coach, who was extremely intelligent and succesful in simplifying things.

Then he broke bad and his conservative side became stronger. As he kept winning in some of the ugliest ways I've ever seen, this approach became a bit extreme.

It didn't help last year's squad was shit.

I feel he's on decline, and don't expect him to do any miracles with this years also shit squad. But he's part of the problem, as he clearly works along the management in planning stuff.

This should be a massive concern to everyone, especially if we have to get rid of him again which is entirely possible.

I also don’t think the defense is that great, especially with a Bonucci, so he will probably be forced to pack it in again.

 

[IlCapitano]

There's no talking football with people who think a player playing deeper is a negative and having worse raw stats automatically means he is a worse player.

Pjanić had 3 best years of his career with Max

Also funny that this narrative about Allegri ruining everything he touches comes from the same people who think he won only because of individual performances. Litterally two opposites

 

[campionesidd]

There's no talking football with people who think a player playing deeper is a negative and having worse raw stats automatically means he is a worse player.

Pjanić had 3 best years of his career with Max

Also funny that this narrative about Allegri ruining everything he touches comes from the same people who think he won only because of individual performances. Litterally two opposites

It’s funny really. They also should bring up Khedira’s stats then. He was far more attacking at Juve than he was at Real. So let’s conclude that Allegri is more creative and attacking than Carlo Ancelotti and Jose Mourinho (who is a defensive coach, but Real scored 100 goals in the league with him).

 

[rainhard]

That's my take as well. Allegri is as risk-aversive as they come and his shadows eventually grow onto players. Pjanic wasn't a sidway passing midfielder when he came. I think he has a keen eye on talent and what that talent need to do to improve. It's just that in the end they regress because they all become "him". This is not an attempted criticism of Allegri. We all influence our surrounding and when you are in a position to actually influence your surrounding then all of you will be influencing your surrounding and not just some parts that you strive to influence with. Sandro was crazy the first year and it's such a shame to see him for the past years because he is a shadow of himself. You can see how great his technique is and everything but emphasis is put on the defensive side so... My criticism of Allegri is instead that he is most likely aware of this and doesn't see that he has a screwdriver but he is using it as a hammer. Why not use screws instead of nails? Why seek creative playmakers as your DMC if you actually only want a destroyer? That part I never understood with him. Would be cheaper to have a Zakaria type there than to take an expensive player and make him into a destroyer. And who is saying the DMC need to be part of the build up? Playmakers can drop deeper.... sorry, for the off topic rant. I wasn't meaning to attack the guy but ended up there anyway.
I like Allegri but it's a shame to see Sandro's regression based on his talent.

Couldnt agree more, bunch of egotistic spoil kid are playing fluid passing now under Ten Hag at Man Utd that is just show what a coach philosophy bring in to the pitch

 

[Stevie]

It’s funny really. They also should bring up Khedira’s stats then. He was far more attacking at Juve than he was at Real. So let’s conclude that Allegri is more creative and attacking than Carlo Ancelotti and Jose Mourinho (who is a defensive coach, but Real scored 100 goals in the league with him).

You are either blind or delusional if you cant see that Allegri plays safety first, defensive football with no creativity in attack or system that favours creative / attacking football. We have looked like headless chickens up front for years under him. It's no secret what style him and other Italian coaches prefer.

 

[campionesidd]

You are either blind or delusional if you cant see that Allegri plays safety first, defensive football with no creativity in attack or system that favours creative / attacking football. We have looked like headless chickens up front for years under him. It's no secret what style him and other Italian coaches prefer.

Bro, Mancini won the last Euros and Ancelotti won the last CL. So don’t tell me that Italian coaches are some boring old idiots who know nothing.

 

[rainhard]

Bro, Mancini won the last Euros and Ancelotti won the last CL. So don’t tell me that Italian coaches are some boring old idiots who know nothing.

But they will be spectator in world cup for the second time in the row, boo
for Euro, they win is on par with Greece win the Euro. And for Real Madrid, even my goat coach them they will win it anyway

 

[campionesidd]

But they will be spectator in world cup for the second time in the row, boo
for Euro, they win is on par with Greece win the Euro. And for Real Madrid, even my goat coach them they will win it anyway

And? Those Greek players will always be remembered as legends in their country.
also, what’s the point of qualifying for a tournament if you don’t win it. Trophies are what matter, and Mancini won the second biggest competition in football.