Massimiliano Allegri (245 Viewers)

[DAiDEViL]

We were the better team against Barcelona in that final. If the ref called a clear foul on Pogba at 1-1 for a penalty we'd have won the game. I'd agree we need more luck but Allegri set them up perfectly to win that final, same with the first 45 against Real.

The problem was not the tactics but we faced 2 very good sides who many will regard amongst the greatest ever. The front 3 of Neymar, Messi and Suarez is still talked about and that Real team was legendary.

We were also missing Chiellini and Barzagli wasn't 100% fit for the Barca game. In Cardiff, Real were simply the better team and Allegi had little quality on the bench to change it.

Tactics were far from the issue on both occasions.

Pls.

This is who you are arguing with

It's not about playing sexy football, I want to see us play effective football.

Welcome Sarri, i hope for the best and I'm looking forward to seeing attacking football at juve

 

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[Juventinoo]

The aim of a final is to win it. Allegri won't win a CL without lots of luck. His teams don't press, attack with speed or take many risks. The attack of his teams is poorly organised and no patterns to the play.

He's a great coach and we won't get better than him with this management. He is excellent and one of the best at getting a lot out of average players and squads with holes in it.

I enjoy tactics more than attacking football ...
This is by the way ... the heart core of this team since forever ....not only Juve but also Italy ...

tactics is compulsory and attacking like Barca is complementary... this is Juve identity ... the first 3 years of Allegris were perfect fit... once the management didnt listen to his needs we failed

Sarri failed because of rigid tactics of his ... maybe he have some good football movements but nullified with zero tactics ....

 

[Vialli_92]

I enjoy tactics more than attacking football ...
This is by the way ... the heart core of this team since forever ....not only Juve but also Italy ...

tactics is compulsory and attacking like Barca is complementary... this is Juve identity ... the first 3 years of Allegris were perfect fit... once the management didnt listen to his needs we failed

Sarri failed because of rigid tactics of his ... maybe he have some good football movements but nullified with zero tactics ....

That's the problem, clinging onto the past and not moving forward like the rest and being left behind. Our attack is too blunt and I don't see Allegri changing much from before to fix that. It will always hold us back unless Allegri has changed.

 

[Ventus]

Allegri is the best we are going to get if the club has no ambition to win the CL like it has had for the last 10 years.

He will get the most out of average squads and shit management giving him square pegs to fill in round holes.

I'll be happy to see him on the juve bench again.

Was wondering when you would show up lol. Hasn't these past years proven that we took Allegri for granted?

 

[Vialli_92]

Was wondering when you would show up lol. Hasn't these past years proven that we took Allegri for granted?

Perhaps, with this management we can't do any better than Allegri. He will get the most out of the disorganised mess management does with Juve.

 

[IlCapitano]

Perhaps lmao

Only two guys who can be as good as Allegri are Pep and Zidane. Those three are best in the world. Nobody else comes close

 

[Fab Fragment]

Unpopular opinion here but as much as I like Allegri, I would rather try ZZ, DD and then Allegri in that order.
Let’s not forget how the team was set up vs:
BM 2:2 first half of the first leg.
RM 0-3
Tottenham first leg.
RM in the final.

Having said that, he’s probably the best Italian coach at the moment.

 

[Bjerknes]

And that’s where you’re wrong imo. Of course he wants to not concede goals. Every coach wants this, even the most attack oriented coaches would prefer if they conceded no goals. Max’s tactics are about far more than just not conceding goals. His approach is about maximizing the skill sets of the players he has available to him while outscoring the opponent. He wants organization and solidity first and foremost, and then freedom up front for the attackers to work their magic. Zidane has done the same thing at Madrid. The two are tactically very similar. And organized, solid team, with freedom for the attackers to improvise and create magic up front. The difference being that Madrid was a much stronger side across the pitch with a proper midfield back when CR7 was there.

You know how many goals Madrid is on pace to score in 38 league games this season? 65 goals. That’s 5 less goals than Juventus scored in Allegri’s worst season (2018/19 when we scored 70, but were on pace to score around 85 goals for the second straight year, up until we clinched the scudetto and had nothing left to play for). But they are also only going to concede around 27 goals. You know why? Because Zidane recognized that attack was no longer their strength and adapted his tactics to suit their stronger midfield and defensive depth.

Max adapted his tactics over his last couple years to suit the stronger attackers we had and we scored 86 goals in the league in 17-18 and were on pace to do the same for 80% of his last season before we clinched scudetto. Before that we were a 70-80 goal side when our strength was in defence and midfield and our attack was weaker.

Honestly, I don’t even disagree with that. But I would rather see us transform ourselves into something more progressive than just being very good at using what we have in a tactful manner. More of a brand instead of a reaction. Of course, that’s not just up to Allegri, so it requires a lot of pieces coming together.

Allegri always had a strong defense to fall back on. He doesn’t have that now, so he is going to compensate for that. Generally, we know what that means. Might not work out the same way as you all think.

I know my views are unpopular here, but again I’m thinking long-term here in which we need to have a balance between squad development and a transformation into something better and different.

 

[Vialli_92]

Honestly, I don’t even disagree with that. But I would rather see us transform ourselves into something more progressive than just being very good at using what we have in a tactful manner. More of a brand instead of a reaction. Of course, that’s not just up to Allegri, so it requires a lot of pieces coming together.

Allegri always had a strong defense to fall back on. He doesn’t have that now, so he is going to compensate for that. Generally, we know what that means. Might not work out the same way as you all think.

I know my views are unpopular here, but again I’m thinking long-term here in which we need to have a balance between squad development and a transformation into something better and different.

We won't get that with the management we have. Max will get the maximum from the scraps he has to deal with. Look what happened when management tried to make us progressive and modern. It takes far more work to build a team like that than to hire someone like Allegri who gets average players to do well and do a job tactically for the team.

 

[Snobist]

Unpopular opinion here but as much as I like Allegri, I would rather try ZZ, DD and then Allegri in that order.
Let’s not forget how the team was set up vs:
BM 2:2 first half of the first leg.
RM 0-3
Tottenham first leg.
RM in the final.

Having said that, he’s probably the best Italian coach at the moment.

FUCK ZZ

 

[juve123]

We won't get that with the management we have. Max will get the maximum from the scraps he has to deal with. Look what happened when management tried to make us progressive and modern. It takes far more work to build a team like that than to hire someone like Allegri who gets average players to do well and do a job tactically for the team.

Do you think we should have persisted with sarri and given him more power in the transfer market to implement sarriball

 

[zizinho]

Why waste time on vialli? He's firm at 1. for a reason

 

[Bianconero81]

Perhaps lmao

Only two guys who can be as good as Allegri are Pep and Zidane. Those three are best in the world. Nobody else comes close

I rate Klopp more than I do Pep. I'm even tempted to rate Bayern's coach higher than I do Pep. I don't like the bald fraud aka Fraudiola.

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FUCK ZZ

You may want to fuck his bald head all you want, but he's a proven winner.

 

[IlCapitano]

Why waste time on vialli? He's firm at 1. for a reason

He is that Petrit guy on twitter right?

 

[zizinho]

He is that Petrit guy on twitter right?

I wish I knew what you are talking about, don't follow twitter

 

[Bjerknes]

We won't get that with the management we have. Max will get the maximum from the scraps he has to deal with. Look what happened when management tried to make us progressive and modern. It takes far more work to build a team like that than to hire someone like Allegri who gets average players to do well and do a job tactically for the team.

We all know Allegri is good at using what he has. But right now he wouldn’t have much and we have a side that basically requires a restructuring of some kind. Being at this crossroads it would be a good time to implement something new, especially with the younger players. The management wasn’t wrong in this, but perhaps they were just early and should have kept Allegri for longer until now since we have basically 3 or 4 older key players who are done or close to moving on.

It amounts to this. Allegri is the safe and cautious approach. It’s not a risky approach. But sometimes you have to take risks to be successful. It’s just how it is in business.

 

[DAiDEViL]

I wish I knew what you are talking about, don't follow twitter

He's a faggot, just like Fake Melo.

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Allegri is the safe and cautious approach. It’s not a risky approach. But sometimes you have to take risks to be successful. It’s just how it is in business.

We took two risks in a row and look where we are.

 

[Vialli_92]

Do you think we should have persisted with sarri and given him more power in the transfer market to implement sarriball

No, Sarri Lost the dressing room. It was clear the players were not happy with him so there was no way in hell he could continue after the disasterous man management he had at Juve.

Sarri is a small team manager, he can't manage winners.

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We all know Allegri is good at using what he has. But right now he wouldn’t have much and we have a side that basically requires a restructuring of some kind. Being at this crossroads it would be a good time to implement something new, especially with the younger players. The management wasn’t wrong in this, but perhaps they were just early and should have kept Allegri for longer until now since we have basically 3 or 4 older key players who are done or close to moving on.

It amounts to this. Allegri is the safe and cautious approach. It’s not a risky approach. But sometimes you have to take risks to be successful. It’s just how it is in business.

Juve Is All out of money, they went all in with Ronaldo to win the CL and then covid hit. Financially we are in big trouble so we can't spend much more money. Allegri is definitely the only option which makes sense now.

 

[Bjerknes]

He's a faggot, just like Fake Melo.

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We took two risks in a row and look where we are.

Pirlo was much more of a risk, one I wouldn’t have chosen for sure. But is what it is.

People want Allegri to be some sort of Alex Ferguson type but he isn’t and those don’t exist anymore anyway.

 

[zizinho]

We all know Allegri is good at using what he has. But right now he wouldn’t have much and we have a side that basically requires a restructuring of some kind. Being at this crossroads it would be a good time to implement something new, especially with the younger players. The management wasn’t wrong in this, but perhaps they were just early and should have kept Allegri for longer until now since we have basically 3 or 4 older key players who are done or close to moving on.

It amounts to this. Allegri is the safe and cautious approach. It’s not a risky approach. But sometimes you have to take risks to be successful. It’s just how it is in business.

Having fullbacks like Cancelo and Spinazzola would have been a good start for what you suggest, and mids like Barella, Tonali, Zaniolo instead of Rabiot, Ramsey, Arthur. Basically you want a change and fresh start but you keep signing washed players and misfits. Just shows the management dont have any plan or direction