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Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
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Read that part about Modric the other day when he said that our defence is not so good on low crosses and return passes and can't say I disagree with that. We definitely have been troubled by low crosses in the past.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Modric: 'Juventus poor on the break’
By Football Italia staff


Luka Modric explains how Real Madrid beat Juventus in the Champions League final - “when you catch them on the counter-attack…”

Los Merengues became the first team to retain the trophy since it was rebranded from the European Cup, beating Max Allegri’s men 4-1 in Cardiff.

“[Coach Zinedine] Zidane found the weak point of the Bianconeri defence, and we prepared for the final all week with that in mind,” Modric explained to Sportske Novosti.

“The Juve defenders are fantastic when they’re in position, but not if you can catch them on the counter-attack.

“We worked on that, and it’s how we managed to score three of our four goals in the final. I congratulate Zidane for discovering that, it was key to the game.”

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Simply outclassed/outsmarted by Zidane :tup:

Looks like something to work on.

Every knight has a chink in their armor somewhere...Zidane found ours.
Name me one single team thats not more vulnerable on the counterattack. One single team ?


One counter against 10 players when 3-1 ahead
One time we lost possession 10 meters in front of our own box cause Mandzukic didnt got signalled he had someone comming from behind him
One deflected shot

One genuine counter.




Zidane is a great coach. But this idiotic overhyping must stop.
 

JuveJay

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Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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It's just basic football sense that any team is going to be weaker in transition, even in a general sporting sense. Especially for a team like us that is very tough to break down as a set unit.

There was absolutely nothing remarkable at what Real Madrid did. Still, the victor always gets to crow.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,658
Great coaching, and yes, we have been outclassed in the 2nd half...

Still it were 2 deflection goals that killed us. Could have just as well go to the corner flag with better luck.
 

Stephan

Senior Member
Nov 9, 2005
16,643
Everyone is picking on Allegri now. Real also beat Atletico 3:0. And Simeone is supposed to be superhyperdefensive tactic coach. Also Bayern was crushed 6-3.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Great coaching, and yes, we have been outclassed in the 2nd half...

Still it were 2 deflection goals that killed us. Could have just as well go to the corner flag with better luck.
We werent outclassed. We collapsed and real was pretty much the same as in the first half except 2 slight changes

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Everyone is picking on Allegri now. Real also beat Atletico 3:0. And Simeone is supposed to be superhyperdefensive tactic coach. Also Bayern was crushed 6-3.
Not sure if you intended it in that way, but bayern crushed themselves much like us.

In munchen they were completely bossing it, as we were in the first half. Than completely fucked up (vidal).
Than, had to fully attack in Madrid.


If Bayern didnt went full retard, they'd kick real out

If Juve didnt crumble on its own, they'd beat real in the final



Zidane is a good coach. So is Allegri and so is Ancelotti. But the latters were abandoned by their team.
 

Big Bang

Junior Member
Mar 12, 2012
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Name me one single team thats not more vulnerable on the counterattack. One single team ?


One counter against 10 players when 3-1 ahead
One time we lost possession 10 meters in front of our own box cause Mandzukic didnt got signalled he had someone comming from behind him
One deflected shot

One genuine counter.




Zidane is a great coach. But this idiotic overhyping must stop.
You're right, but that's not the point. The point is Zidane, realizing this was the only way to break down our defense, set up his team to be in counter-attacking mode. Allegri did not tactically respond to this in any coherent way. And it's okay -- I don't fault Allegri for this. He's limited. He's brilliant at setting a game up tactically before the match, but once the game starts, he does not have the ability to adapt our tactics. He never has, he never will.


Another important note is that a complete collapse in moral/grinta happened between the two halves. That should have been the end of his time with us.
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,981
We werent outclassed. We collapsed and real was pretty much the same as in the first half except 2 slight changes

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Not sure if you intended it in that way, but bayern crushed themselves much like us.

In munchen they were completely bossing it, as we were in the first half. Than completely fucked up (vidal).
Than, had to fully attack in Madrid.


If Bayern didnt went full retard, they'd kick real out

If Juve didnt crumble on its own, they'd beat real in the final



Zidane is a good coach. So is Allegri and so is Ancelotti. But the latters were abandoned by their team.
We were 2nd best for the entire final. Stop exaggerating. We obviously played well in the first half but not well enough to create clear cut chances. Neither did they. We needed a wonder goal to break the shackles. All this 'dominated' claims sounds like how Barca fans keep bragging about their team's possession.

Our performance in 2015 was better when you think about it.

Just can't erase that disgraceful 2nd half out of your memory.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,535
We were 2nd best for the entire final. Stop exaggerating. We obviously played well in the first half but not well enough to create clear cut chances. Neither did they. We needed a wonder goal to break the shackles. All this 'dominated' claims sounds like how Barca fans keep bragging about their team's possession.

Our performance in 2015 was better when you think about it.

Just can't erase that disgraceful 2nd half out of your memory.
We played much better in the first half and created a lot of chances but you're right. They were not great chances and Navas never felt that threatened
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
We were 2nd best for the entire final. Stop exaggerating. We obviously played well in the first half but not well enough to create clear cut chances. Neither did they. We needed a wonder goal to break the shackles. All this 'dominated' claims sounds like how Barca fans keep bragging about their team's possession.

Our performance in 2015 was better when you think about it.

Just can't erase that disgraceful 2nd half out of your memory.
I completely agree. But you need to remain objective and notice that first half too.

We need to make an assessment what caused this and how we can 'aggressively fix this'
 

Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,981
I completely agree. But you need to remain objective and notice that first half too.

We need to make an assessment what caused this and how we can 'aggressively fix this'
I am being objective. We were marginally the better team in the first 45 mins. Pjanić shot from outside the box and Higuaín shot which was easily saved were only two decent chances we had until Mandzukic's goal.
This game panned out how our game vs Monaco panned out. Monaco looked threatening but we were clinical and ultimately better. The final was no different imo. Had we kept the same intensity in the second half, the contest could've been close but still, Real Madrid had that extra edge on the day with Cristiano literally being unplayable on occasions.
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
I really find it funny that some still consider Zidane a mediocre coach.
I personally find Zidane the best suited coach for Madrid since Del Bosque, and only because Del bosque managed to get those ego's in line.


Offensive coach who minds balance but has a keen vision on how to unlock defences and gets the respect of the current generation of stars to do his bidding. Its perfect for them.
 

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