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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Barcelona will appoint someone internally or ex-player like Koeman at very worst (still unlikely), the Allegri rumours to them are garbage.

It'll probably be the groundsman or ticket office manager, and he'll be the next best coach ever.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,500
from a month ago but just found it now

http://www.blackwhitereadallover.co...s-coaching-philosophy-team-management-tactics

glad there are more people that appreciate Sturaro. also well explained why Bonucci-Chiellini is our best CB pairing
Great read. Will link it to Juventino friend who is too stubborn to realize when I explain to him the reason why Khedira and Pjanic are better defensively in this more "attacking" formation then the previous 2 conservative formations (more defensive players on the field doesnt naturally mean better defence if system doesnt fit the players actual qualities, in this case Khedira and Pjanics lack of physicality and defensive strength). And also appriciate Mandzukic much more then he does, tactically speaking.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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It's a pretty good read. I'm glad he pointed out how we defend. For me you always base the formation on how you look when you defend, so it's a 4-4-2 clearly but call it whatever you want.

And the issue against Barca, especially at Camp Nou is that they can move the ball from side to side quite easily and open huge spaces in the two banks of 4 laterally. We don't have Atletico's CMs defensively.

I really don't know how this formation will work against Barca's new formation. Dybala will provide no resistance when our midfield gets stretched and he has to slot in somewhere. I would prefer as many players in midfield as possible against Barca, something like a 3-7-0 suits me fine.

I love his defense of Sturaro as he is absolutely correct.

The point about Chiellini running with the ball is contentious as it usually does more harm than good. Also, Benatia can take space just like Chiellini but he doesn't pose the threat of giving it straight to the opponent. And Rugani can probably do this too since he is perfect.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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It's a pretty good read. I'm glad he pointed out how we defend. For me you always base the formation on how you look when you defend, so it's a 4-4-2 clearly but call it whatever you want.

And the issue against Barca, especially at Camp Nou is that they can move the ball from side to side quite easily and open huge spaces in the two banks of 4 laterally. We don't have Atletico's CMs defensively.

I really don't know how this formation will work against Barca's new formation. Dybala will provide no resistance when our midfield gets stretched and he has to slot in somewhere. I would prefer as many players in midfield as possible against Barca, something like a 3-7-0 suits me fine.

I love his defense of Sturaro as he is absolutely correct.

The point about Chiellini running with the ball is contentious as it usually does more harm than good. Also, Benatia can take space just like Chiellini but he doesn't pose the threat of giving it straight to the opponent. And Rugani can probably do this too since he is perfect.
Why?

Btw there's waaayyy too much discussion about semantics when it comes to formations
 

zizinho

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2013
51,816
Great read. Will link it to Juventino friend who is too stubborn to realize when I explain to him the reason why Khedira and Pjanic are better defensively in this more "attacking" formation then the previous 2 conservative formations (more defensive players on the field doesnt naturally mean better defence if system doesnt fit the players actual qualities, in this case Khedira and Pjanics lack of physicality and defensive strength). And also appriciate Mandzukic much more then he does, tactically speaking.
CMs in a 352 need to press the opponent, which the 2 cant do as good as it is required (Sami could get a pass with another strong physical player next to him) otherwise your team sits back and allows the opponent to have the ball in your half. in this formation, you have 3 players infront of them so they dont have such responsibilities, they have to cover the space behind the front 4 and the fullbacks pushing forward, so roles that suit them more. Max did well to make this switch
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
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Why?

Btw there's waaayyy too much discussion about semantics when it comes to formations
Well when you defend you don't have the ball so naturally you take the shape of what the coach wants. You are protecting the areas you are supposed to be in. So you can see the team's shape really easily this way.

When we get the ball you will never see Alves in line with the CBs, he'll always be fuck knows where, somewhere up the field so if you try to label the formation based on what it looks like in attack then you will call it something like, 2-4-2-1-1.

Dybala never goes into midfield to defend so how can he be grouped with the "3" when Mandzukic and Cuadrado go all the way to the goalline and back.

Perhaps the best way to describe it is 4-4-1-1 but in no way is it a real 4-2-3-1 like Heynckes would use (which is the standard for me).

And you are right, there's too much discussion about what to call it because it's very close either way and it doesn't really matter to be honest.

Maybe by calling it a 4-2-3-1 people will think Dybala is a CAM and his price will go up 10M but he does nothing like a #10.
 

duranfj

Senior Member
Jul 30, 2015
8,799
from a month ago but just found it now

http://www.blackwhitereadallover.co...s-coaching-philosophy-team-management-tactics

glad there are more people that appreciate Sturaro. also well explained why Bonucci-Chiellini is our best CB pairing
Agree in almost everything except Max patch to this formation and Sturaro wing positioning.

Max patch to this system was more about mistakes than anything else. He started the season playing Dybala way too down. Then he used Pipa as SS and tried way too hard with Asa like CM. Max first half was more bad than good. If u don't agree this lets just ask why our board bought the General in winter? cuz our board was expecting we keep playing a 3 men MF.

Now we are in the edge of our main games in the season and we still don't know how Max could handle this 4-2-3-1 to play twice at week... IMO we need to use Alves or AS in the front 3 and a lot more Pjaca to have a very in form JGC-Dybala-Mandzo and Pipa against Farca but only Max knows for real.

And about Sturaro, play someone in the wing that would only rely on high presure It doesn't work a bit if the other team press us high and attack with 2&3 men for the flank cuz Sturaro may find the way to take the ball but with his limitate technic and next to the line I could bet u he would make a lot of mistakes once he gets the ball

Nevertheless, It was a really nice reading
 

dolph

Senior Member
Mar 30, 2006
2,599
If Allegri leaves he wont go to Barca. They want to play a certain type of football, and Allegri cant deliver that. PSG or England would probably be more likely.
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,987
If Allegri leaves he wont go to Barca. They want to play a certain type of football, and Allegri cant deliver that. PSG or England would probably be more likely.
This.

Italians simply doesnt play the style of football of spaniards. They will most likely ask allegri to tikitaka with a touch of italian, and that will not happen.
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
14,322
If he needed an example of how not to play against Barcelona this was it.

Awful performance from after we scored our goal until they scored theirs. You just can't play by trying to defend and not try to keep the ball at all.

We showed them far too much respect and acted as though we were playing a top European side. I wish we would just play our own game instead of doing things that we normally wouldn't do e.g. choosing the wrong option when passing out the back, when we would normally take another touch and make sure with our pass.

Also Lemina is not a right winger.
 

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