Hyping up provincial clubs like Roma and Napoli 
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None of them are provincial clubs. They're still shit tho.
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Yes, but in case of Sarri its the last 2 seasons, not just one. Also, coaches resume doesent last forever, otherwise Capello would still be considered a top coach. At some point you cant claim i did this and that few years ago If you dont continue being successful. If Pep doesent win anything in City (will probably stay there for 2-3 seasons), it will have a big impact on his legacy
Conte used to spank Garcia, Enrique, Benitez etc... in Serie A. Just the way he is doing it now to Mou and Pep. He is obviously a master at league competitions (would kill to see him go against Ferguson).
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is shit.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is shit.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
Conte used to spank Garcia, Enrique, Benitez etc... in Serie A. Just the way he is doing it now to Mou and Pep. He is obviously a master at league competitions (would kill to see him go against Ferguson).
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is shit.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is shit.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
in short, Conte doing well is no excuse for their underachieving
as you expected, also disagree about their tougher competition
. 1st off, in Italy only 3 clubs qualify for the CL, compared to 4 in England. one spot is obviously reserved for Juve so you have Napoli, Roma, inter, Milan, Lazio and Fiorentina fighting for 2 spots. Fiorentina fall off a little last few games but we have Atalanta very close (if they win their game today). in fact, Atalanta has the same number of points after 23 games as United had in EPL after the same number of games. last season we had inter and Fiorentina even leading the table for a while when we were taking a break. Napoli were leaders up until February. Roma struggled, then they replaced Garcia with Spalletti and finished the season strong to finish 3rd, just 2 pts behind Napoli. Spalletti improved them by quite a margin even after taking over mid season, even introduced a new formation, a 3421 with Nainggolan higher up the pitch and Salah/Perotti in a free role. Sarri took over from Benitez and improved the team by 19 pts in his 1st season. both of them then lost their best players to Juve, and managed to stay closer to us than the Manchester clubs are now to Chelsea.the only time Spalletti failed at Roma so far in his return, was the Porto home game, and that was after 2 red cards for his team by the 50th minute. he compensated for that with qualifying for the next round in EL, and can totally redeem himself if he goes far there (Villarreal will be a tough opponent tho). he is on pace to get them to CL 2/2 times in 1.5 years, and qualified for the Coppa Italia SF too. dotn think he can be blamed for losing to Real in CL i think. he doesent get enough credit for his job in Roma since his return. Sarri took a Napoli that finished 5th the season before he arrived to challenge Juve for the scudetto up until they lost to us in Turin. he failed to beat inter in the Coppa QF but i believe they were going all out on Serie A as they were resting half their starting XI that game. also failed to beat Villarreal in EL but was again resting half their starting XI because they believed they have a shot at winning Serie A. this season met all expectations so far
btw, its interesting that Roma faced Real in the CL round of 16 and Napoli does the same this season. while Napoli faced Villarreal in the EL round of 32 last season and Roma does the same this season
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as to answer the question, id take Sarri and Spalletti before either Pep and Mou. Mou has struggled everywhere since his 2nd season in Madrid, and Pep playing style is something i want as far from Turin as possible. both Sarris and Spallettis playing philosophies are closer to be adapted at Juve than the BS Pep plays and both are tactically better and more flexible. they are more likely to adpat to whatever team you give them than Pep, who requires certain types of players for his style to work, or Mou, who lost the plot lately
Conte used to spank Garcia, Enrique, Benitez etc... in Serie A. Just the way he is doing it now to Mou and Pep. He is obviously a master at league competitions (would kill to see him go against Ferguson).
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is $#@!.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
As for your points,
(1 & 2) they have infinite money true, but so does everyone else in the top 4. Dont forget they are in their 1st seasons unlike Spaletti and Sarri
(3) They are not facing weaker competition with stronger squads for CL seats. Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea have very good squads. The gap between UTD/City's squads and these teams is certainly smaller than between Roma/Napoli and Fiorentina, Lazio, Atlanta, Milan etc... Inter is the exception (they should be easily on par with Roma and Napoli on paper imo).
(4) the direct rival is Juve (heads and shoulders superior to them with or without the signings and not exactly a rival for 2nd or 3rd). I am arguing that its tougher to finish in the top 4 (2nd,3rd,or 4th) in EPL with UTD/City squad competing against Pool, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea, than to finish 2nd or 3rd in Serie A with Roma or Napoli's squad. To me thats obvious IMO. Top 4 in Germany for example with BVB's squad is easier than Top 4 with City/UTD and Top 3 with Roma/Napoli.
I know we will probably continue to disagree nevertheless
Seriously though, if Allegri leaves at the end of this season (for the sake of argument), and you can hire for Juve either Mou, Pep, Sarri or Spaletti, you would go for Spaletti over Pep or Mou?
I like Sarri and I think he can go places with a stronger squad but Spaletti is hopeless imo. We would be humiliated in the CL on a yearly basis. I'd take Wenger before him and I think Wenger is $#@!.
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On a week by week basis yes they look more stable than the manchester clubs but head to head I think the small team mentality would kick in. Roma especially has horrible stage freight. City looks good in the CL this year
I would take Sarri over anyone bar Simeone. A bid of a gamble given his lack of experience at a top club but he is an excellent coach and I think he would do fantastic here.
"I want a spectacular Juventus. When you play football, you need to be spectacular. Tonight Cagliari went down to 10 men and we should’ve run riot, but instead we were hasty and didn’t make the right choices. We need to improve." - Allegri
I'm loving his post match analysis, his always looking to improve and push to team further whilst maintaining our efficient way of winning.
I'm loving his post match analysis, his always looking to improve and push to team further whilst maintaining our efficient way of winning.
Furthermore, what is to criticize in the way the team played after 2-0 tonight? Low-energy control football with some chances still. If there is something to talk about it's the first half minus Higuain goal.
'When you play football, you need to be spectacular' sounds like he is training for Arsenal already.
'When you play football, you need to be spectacular' sounds like he is training for Arsenal already.
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