Mafia 2016 - مافيا ۲۰۱۶ (8 Viewers)
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We must make a choice today which will be based on yesterday's events.
It might easily happen that everyone involved in those last minute events is a civilian, as many previous games showed. It might easily happen that a G was saving another G, which also happened in the same fashion before.
Unfortunately, in case the involved were Cs, we have no other choice today. We can't go on hunches.
I'm the bodyguard, of course. The Detective needs to tell me in private message the results of his investigation, because the Gs already know them.
The jailer shouldn't put me in jail. He or she should wait a bit and put someone in jail later today.
So, Voller, Tomice and Kate are the ones who are in trouble. Lets discuss and see what do we and what do they have to say about it.
Personally I'd lynch Osman today, or Fred, but the mofos are clean and I won't let you follow my hunches.
It might easily happen that everyone involved in those last minute events is a civilian, as many previous games showed. It might easily happen that a G was saving another G, which also happened in the same fashion before.
Unfortunately, in case the involved were Cs, we have no other choice today. We can't go on hunches.
I'm the bodyguard, of course. The Detective needs to tell me in private message the results of his investigation, because the Gs already know them.
The jailer shouldn't put me in jail. He or she should wait a bit and put someone in jail later today.
So, Voller, Tomice and Kate are the ones who are in trouble. Lets discuss and see what do we and what do they have to say about it.
Personally I'd lynch Osman today, or Fred, but the mofos are clean and I won't let you follow my hunches.
Have you read the thread yet?
For me, it's fairly easy to choose between myself, Tomice and Kate. Since I know I'm a civilian, I also know that Tomice ended up saving a C by sacrificing another C. Something a G would never do. Unless Fred is right in saying that Tomice was saving Kate, but that seems unnecessarily elaborate considering that Kate was still left to vote. So while I really don't know if Kate is a G or not, I'm definitely more inclined to think that Tomice is a C. Obviously, since the rest of you are looking at things from a different perspective, you can't really apply the same logic as me.
While I understand why you're suspecting Osman and Fred, I'd say you are the person most likely to get whacked on the first day no matter who the G's are. I don't see why you getting whacked would make Osman or Fred lynch candidates.
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For me, it's fairly easy to choose between myself, Tomice and Kate. Since I know I'm a civilian, I also know that Tomice ended up saving a C by sacrificing another C. Something a G would never do. Unless Fred is right in saying that Tomice was saving Kate, but that seems unnecessarily elaborate considering that Kate was still left to vote. So while I really don't know if Kate is a G or not, I'm definitely more inclined to think that Tomice is a C. Obviously, since the rest of you are looking at things from a different perspective, you can't really apply the same logic as me.
While I understand why you're suspecting Osman and Fred, I'd say you are the person most likely to get whacked on the first day no matter who the G's are. I don't see why you getting whacked would make Osman or Fred lynch candidates.
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I've explained why I voted to save Voller when it was between him and Sidd, see my answer to Osman or I can find it if you want to. In short as I said I would have always saved an active player like Voller on day 1 over a new player, especially since I thought that both are C's. I said beforehand that if it would come to the wire I would save Voller instead of Sidd.
Being afraid of what your vote looks like is weak.
You can also see I preferred to vote Kate out rather then any of those two. I suggested it before the deadline, I didn't because Voller said it was too risky.
How can Me bringing up the invisibility thing be used against me? Sidd did it and that's on him, Why would I keep it to myself if I'm a C ?
I like it, I'm from @Fred school of mafia
Here is what I don't get, Kate had three votes and you 4, one of them Sidd's, If you, me and him all voted Kate as I suggested shes would be lynched even if she would have voted. Why didn't you want to vote her? I'm pretty sure you knew Sidd wasn't a G.
Being afraid of what your vote looks like is weak.
You can also see I preferred to vote Kate out rather then any of those two. I suggested it before the deadline, I didn't because Voller said it was too risky.
How can Me bringing up the invisibility thing be used against me? Sidd did it and that's on him, Why would I keep it to myself if I'm a C ?
I like it, I'm from @Fred school of mafia
Here is what I don't get, Kate had three votes and you 4, one of them Sidd's, If you, me and him all voted Kate as I suggested shes would be lynched even if she would have voted. Why didn't you want to vote her? I'm pretty sure you knew Sidd wasn't a G.
Why would voting for mer have been risky? If you thought I was a G, surely you'd want to try and get me out and I was already in danger.
And I told you guys I wasn't going to be around for that hour before the deadline. I didn't vote because I didn't agree with you about Sidd (I was ambivalent) and didn't have a strong alternative option that I would want to leave a vote on if I wasn't going to be around to change it.
Os, I find it odd that you're saying my playing is uncharacteristic and therefore I'm a G. I have been a G in games with you guys many times, and I think you know what that play looks like.
And I told you guys I wasn't going to be around for that hour before the deadline. I didn't vote because I didn't agree with you about Sidd (I was ambivalent) and didn't have a strong alternative option that I would want to leave a vote on if I wasn't going to be around to change it.
Os, I find it odd that you're saying my playing is uncharacteristic and therefore I'm a G. I have been a G in games with you guys many times, and I think you know what that play looks like.
At 22.38:
22.57 - 2 minutes before deadline - is the first time - as far as I know - that Sidd says he's up for voting on Kate.
This is waaaay too late for me to hope three people change votes. Especially since I don't know anything about Sidd - both as a mafia player and a poster in general. If only you and I voted for Kate, I'd risk a tie if Kate showed up and voted on me.
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22.57 - 2 minutes before deadline - is the first time - as far as I know - that Sidd says he's up for voting on Kate.
This is waaaay too late for me to hope three people change votes. Especially since I don't know anything about Sidd - both as a mafia player and a poster in general. If only you and I voted for Kate, I'd risk a tie if Kate showed up and voted on me.
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There are 2 or 3 possibilities here
The one I fancy the most is that you're all Cs.
But I will entertain the possibility that you weren't all Cs. In that case, probably two of you, Tomice and Kate are Gs.
From experience, we know that it often happens only 1 or 2 Gs to be online by deadline. In one of the last games I was the only active G and I had to make a last second vote to save Matt (?). If anything similar happened, then Tomice was saving you or Kate (or both). This makes Tomice the main candidate for lynching.
But like I said, I think he simply did "a Fred". He was a C who decided to save a guy he thought was also a C. Since he was the one who spotted Sidd's invisible mode episode, and that was frankly the only thing to go by yesterday, I'll buy his defense.
This leads us to the question... if you're all Cs, who are the Gs? They weren't in danger of being voted out, so it's probable that they played it cool...
... If the Gs did play it cool and weren't in danger, that means that 4 of Radekas, Fresh, Tudor, Soren, Fred, X, ILFJ, Mohad, Maddy, Osman, Quisto, Cazzo and Basel are Gs. That's 4/13.
Now, why whack me? You're right that I'm a whacking target, but would you believe that this was the first time an attempt to whack me was made on day 1? (well, the 2nd time, but the first time it happened, Fresh was the narrator and we were all civilians).
I did say that Horri handpicked the roles and I was the D. And then I repeated that I was the D who'll investigate Osman. It's possible that the Gs did think I was playing mind games and that I might actually be telling the truth.
I know for sure that Osman, if he doesn't suspect anyone to be a special role on day 1, would whack me right away. Fred is dying to finally kill me and for me to die before he does.
It's all based on a hunch. But if all of you are Cs (Sidd, Voller, Kate and Tomice) then you can bet your ass that at least one of the experienced players is a G.
So, the game leads us to voting Tomice. My hunch screams voteeeeee Osman.
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DETECTIVE - contact me and tell me who did you investigate. I am the bodyguard so don't be scared. The bodyguard ALWAYS protects himself on day 1 so there is no chance that I'm not the bodyguard. Your investigation could help us a lot, especially if you investigated a G or one of Voller, Kate and Tomice.
JAILER - PM me and I'll tell you who to jail. I need you to prove that you're the jailer. If more than one player claims to be the jailer, I'll tell you all a different player to jail and I'll know that you're lying if you don't jail the one I told you to.
The one I fancy the most is that you're all Cs.
But I will entertain the possibility that you weren't all Cs. In that case, probably two of you, Tomice and Kate are Gs.
From experience, we know that it often happens only 1 or 2 Gs to be online by deadline. In one of the last games I was the only active G and I had to make a last second vote to save Matt (?). If anything similar happened, then Tomice was saving you or Kate (or both). This makes Tomice the main candidate for lynching.
But like I said, I think he simply did "a Fred". He was a C who decided to save a guy he thought was also a C. Since he was the one who spotted Sidd's invisible mode episode, and that was frankly the only thing to go by yesterday, I'll buy his defense.
This leads us to the question... if you're all Cs, who are the Gs? They weren't in danger of being voted out, so it's probable that they played it cool...
... If the Gs did play it cool and weren't in danger, that means that 4 of Radekas, Fresh, Tudor, Soren, Fred, X, ILFJ, Mohad, Maddy, Osman, Quisto, Cazzo and Basel are Gs. That's 4/13.
Now, why whack me? You're right that I'm a whacking target, but would you believe that this was the first time an attempt to whack me was made on day 1? (well, the 2nd time, but the first time it happened, Fresh was the narrator and we were all civilians
).I did say that Horri handpicked the roles and I was the D. And then I repeated that I was the D who'll investigate Osman. It's possible that the Gs did think I was playing mind games and that I might actually be telling the truth.
I know for sure that Osman, if he doesn't suspect anyone to be a special role on day 1, would whack me right away. Fred is dying to finally kill me and for me to die before he does.
It's all based on a hunch. But if all of you are Cs (Sidd, Voller, Kate and Tomice) then you can bet your ass that at least one of the experienced players is a G.
So, the game leads us to voting Tomice. My hunch screams voteeeeee Osman.
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ONE MORE THING
DETECTIVE - contact me and tell me who did you investigate. I am the bodyguard so don't be scared. The bodyguard ALWAYS protects himself on day 1 so there is no chance that I'm not the bodyguard. Your investigation could help us a lot, especially if you investigated a G or one of Voller, Kate and Tomice.
JAILER - PM me and I'll tell you who to jail. I need you to prove that you're the jailer. If more than one player claims to be the jailer, I'll tell you all a different player to jail and I'll know that you're lying if you don't jail the one I told you to.
You always think I'm a G
@Voller. Ya it is suspicious that Kate was around and never voted. As a G I'd expect her to do her best to make it around deadline time, but perhaps what prompted Tomice to make a last minute vote that saved her, was because for some reason she went AWOL during deadline time. That is a plausible explanation for why Tomice had to make that last minute vote that even he knows would have brought heat on him.
Alen is right in saying it might be so that everyone involved in yesterdays events were C's, but IMO we have nothing else to go by at this point, lynching someone involved in yesterdays events will give us more answers.
For me, Tomice and Kate are the prime suspects, shortly followed by Voller. I think lynching Tomice would be the option that would give us the most answers, because if he was a G, there is a huge possibility that one of Voller and Kate are G's too.
@Voller. Ya it is suspicious that Kate was around and never voted. As a G I'd expect her to do her best to make it around deadline time, but perhaps what prompted Tomice to make a last minute vote that saved her, was because for some reason she went AWOL during deadline time. That is a plausible explanation for why Tomice had to make that last minute vote that even he knows would have brought heat on him.
Alen is right in saying it might be so that everyone involved in yesterdays events were C's, but IMO we have nothing else to go by at this point, lynching someone involved in yesterdays events will give us more answers.
For me, Tomice and Kate are the prime suspects, shortly followed by Voller. I think lynching Tomice would be the option that would give us the most answers, because if he was a G, there is a huge possibility that one of Voller and Kate are G's too.
You always think I'm a G
@Voller. Ya it is suspicious that Kate was around and never voted. As a G I'd expect her to do her best to make it around deadline time, but perhaps what prompted Tomice to make a last minute vote that saved her, was because for some reason she went AWOL during deadline time. That is a plausible explanation for why Tomice had to make that last minute vote that even he knows would have brought heat on him.
Alen is right in saying it might be so that everyone involved in yesterdays events were C's, but IMO we have nothing else to go by at this point, lynching someone involved in yesterdays events will give us more answers.
For me, Tomice and Kate are the prime suspects, shortly followed by Voller. I think lynching Tomice would be the option that would give us the most answers, because if he was a G, there is a huge possibility that one of Voller and Kate are G's too.
@Voller. Ya it is suspicious that Kate was around and never voted. As a G I'd expect her to do her best to make it around deadline time, but perhaps what prompted Tomice to make a last minute vote that saved her, was because for some reason she went AWOL during deadline time. That is a plausible explanation for why Tomice had to make that last minute vote that even he knows would have brought heat on him.
Alen is right in saying it might be so that everyone involved in yesterdays events were C's, but IMO we have nothing else to go by at this point, lynching someone involved in yesterdays events will give us more answers.
For me, Tomice and Kate are the prime suspects, shortly followed by Voller. I think lynching Tomice would be the option that would give us the most answers, because if he was a G, there is a huge possibility that one of Voller and Kate are G's too.
The only possible way Kate was "saved" if we insist on that angle is If Voller was also a G, not wanting to vote her out when me and Sidd agreed to and it could have saved his life just the same. It's still a less likely scenario.
As uncomfortable it makes me, I think Fred is right.
The only plausible thing to do today is to lynch Tomice, unless the D investigated a G or Tomice and the latter turned out C.
What I don't like here, though, is that even if Tomice is a C, which is very possible, we won't learn much. It won't make the others involved Cs. It will only mean that Tomice made a silly last minute mistake.
Then again, Tomice is now very experienced to know that such a vote would put a lot of heat on him. He did find Sidd's invisible mode ON and OFF suspicious, but he did say that he thought both Voller and Sidd are civilians. He now claims that he wanted to save the more experienced player. That's fine, but you simply don't do that on day 1 if you care about your life. It's a mistake that happens. Fred made it in the last games and Fred was a C.
I remember Tomice playing an excellent game as a D last summer, though. He was extremely careful. That Tomice would never do what Tomice did yesterday as a C.
The only plausible thing to do today is to lynch Tomice, unless the D investigated a G or Tomice and the latter turned out C.
What I don't like here, though, is that even if Tomice is a C, which is very possible, we won't learn much. It won't make the others involved Cs. It will only mean that Tomice made a silly last minute mistake.
Then again, Tomice is now very experienced to know that such a vote would put a lot of heat on him. He did find Sidd's invisible mode ON and OFF suspicious, but he did say that he thought both Voller and Sidd are civilians. He now claims that he wanted to save the more experienced player. That's fine, but you simply don't do that on day 1 if you care about your life. It's a mistake that happens. Fred made it in the last games and Fred was a C.
I remember Tomice playing an excellent game as a D last summer, though. He was extremely careful. That Tomice would never do what Tomice did yesterday as a C.
She had 3 votes while the others had 4 each. If you did vote for her it would have been a threeway tie. So of course she was in danger.
and that isn't the only possible way Kate was saved. My theory is perfectly plausible. Kate could have been a G, and because she had 3 votes while the others had 4, she wasn't around during deadline time, you didn't want to risk someone voting for Kate all of a sudden and forcing a three way tie. So out of desperation you voted for Sidd and gave him his fifth vote.
I hate to go off topic and bring up a previous game. But in my defense, I only did that once, and in that time I was completely right and should not have been lynched for it. I made a last minute vote that killed Matt who turned out to be a G on day 1, that should have been considered a masterstroke, instead people are villifying me for it to this day
and that isn't the only possible way Kate was saved. My theory is perfectly plausible. Kate could have been a G, and because she had 3 votes while the others had 4, she wasn't around during deadline time, you didn't want to risk someone voting for Kate all of a sudden and forcing a three way tie. So out of desperation you voted for Sidd and gave him his fifth vote.
I hate to go off topic and bring up a previous game. But in my defense, I only did that once, and in that time I was completely right and should not have been lynched for it. I made a last minute vote that killed Matt who turned out to be a G on day 1, that should have been considered a masterstroke, instead people are villifying me for it to this day
She had 3 votes while the others had 4 each. If you did vote for her it would have been a threeway tie. So of course she was in danger.
and that isn't the only possible way Kate was saved. My theory is perfectly plausible. Kate could have been a G, and because she had 3 votes while the others had 4, she wasn't around during deadline time, you didn't want to risk someone voting for Kate all of a sudden and forcing a three way tie. So out of desperation you voted for Sidd and gave him his fifth vote.
I hate to go off topic and bring up a previous game. But in my defense, I only did that once, and in that time I was completely right and should not have been lynched for it. I made a last minute vote that killed Matt who turned out to be a G on day 1, that should have been considered a masterstroke, instead people are villifying me for it to this day
and that isn't the only possible way Kate was saved. My theory is perfectly plausible. Kate could have been a G, and because she had 3 votes while the others had 4, she wasn't around during deadline time, you didn't want to risk someone voting for Kate all of a sudden and forcing a three way tie. So out of desperation you voted for Sidd and gave him his fifth vote.
I hate to go off topic and bring up a previous game. But in my defense, I only did that once, and in that time I was completely right and should not have been lynched for it. I made a last minute vote that killed Matt who turned out to be a G on day 1, that should have been considered a masterstroke, instead people are villifying me for it to this day
Also as I said all this drama was so unnecessary, I could have just voted Sidd from the first moment I was on that invisibility thing. Why would I do it only to end up voting him in the last minute and drawing attention?
