Luigi "Vergogna" Delneri (23 Viewers)

Finish the season with or without Del Neri?

  • Yes, keep Del Neri till the end of the season and then fire him

  • Fire Del Neri now and replace him with someone else till the end of the season


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May 22, 2007
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That's very debatable, he had a better core of experienced winners who knew each other (Buffon, Zebina, Zanetti, Camoranesi, Del Piero [21 Serie A goal version], Nedved, Trezeguet. This shouldn't be underestimated. They were also highly motivated post-Calciopoli.
Ranieri's squad was better than the current one. Those players alone had the experience, intelligence and ability to drag Juventus to the Champions League kicking and screaming. Even if there were some average players like Palladino and Molinaro in the squad with them.
 

Mohad

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May 20, 2009
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That's very debatable, he had a better core of experienced winners who knew each other (Buffon, Zebina, Zanetti, Camoranesi, Del Piero [21 Serie A goal version], Nedved, Trezeguet. This shouldn't be underestimated. They were also highly motivated post-Calciopoli.

The current squad is stage one, much younger and in a transitional process. It doesn't excuse other failings, but is one reason why we lack consistency and the ability to scrape the shitty points we did under Ranieri.
True that one of the main reason we finished as high as we did with him though was because of the old guard, but the majority were horrible.

Just look at what he did with Roma when they were +15 points behind Inter last season and they ended up second? It's funny how people say their expectations is not high with Juve for the past few seasons yet with Ranieri they expected to win titles?

Problem is we replaced a shit coach with a shit coach, who was then replaced by a shit coach and then another shit coach. When Ranieri was fired a world class replacement needed to be recruited.

Right now, I would really hope Deschamps would come back for a second spell...hell Lippi did that.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Last year at the exact same stage, we were 2 points behind 4'th placed Palermo. Currently we are 7 points behind 4'th placed Lazio :sergio: :wallbang:

I am sure Del Neri has nothing to do with any of that of course.
 

Kasaki

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Jun 1, 2010
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:agree:

and you just have a look at his substitutions to know if he's a good coach or not...
Was there any substitution that change the outcome of one of our games in our favor?! I can't remember a one single game.
Momo sissoko against ac milan :seven:

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JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Last year at the exact same stage, we were 2 points behind 4'th placed Palermo. Currently we are 7 points behind 4'th placed Lazio :sergio: :wallbang:

I am sure Del Neri has nothing to do with any of that of course.
Yeah, because that's what people have been saying :shifty:

To expand on that in the next 12 games we picked up 14 points, and finished 12 points off 4th place.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Your mindless defense of this provincial primitive coach, and the one market wonder transfer guru Marotta is baffling to say the least!

Given our current trend of inconsistency, I doubt we will be picking up more than 20 points in the next 12 games, which by my calculations will not put us in a better situation than last season, if not worse.

1-4 against Parma, 2-0 against Lecce, and countless other disappointing results! Do you seriously believe that it is all down to the players? What do you really see in Del Neri as a coach? I'm just curious to understand why you are always trying to give him the benefit of the doubt!
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
40,175
It wasn't meant to be humorous nor sarcastic, although I honestly couldn't care less what you find funny. The sole intent was to highlight the obvious; that thus far, in terms of points and performances we have barely improved, if at all for that matter.

We don't have match winners, our mentality is still weak, and we are still dropping points to lesser teams while adopting a provincial approach when playing big clubs.

Del Neri is clearly and never will be the right man to guide Juventus.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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It wasn't meant to be humorous nor sarcastic, although I honestly couldn't care less what you find funny. The sole intent was to highlight the obvious; that thus far, in terms of points and performances we have barely improved, if at all for that matter.

We don't have match winners, our mentality is still weak, and we are still dropping points to lesser teams while adopting a provincial approach when playing big clubs.

Del Neri is clearly and never will be the right man to guide Juventus.
So there are many factors. Which is why I don't really understand why you posts things like your initial post. Well I do, because you didn't like him from the outset and jump on every negative. But I agree overall, we have several problems.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Did you ever consider that the players are the problem, not the last 4 managers?
But even if that's the case, then the Samp duo still shoulder the blame.

I just hate how he insists on playing this slow, tactical, defensive game when we don't have any tactical, smart, defensive players. Even our best defender, Chiellini, is not exactly known for his savvy.

You ask retards to sit back in this defensive zone/shell/thingy and we get picked to pieces. Why not try to play in the other team's half all game?

Look at Mazzari. He knows he has nothing but that lethal trident and some athletic players. So he presses the whole fucking game and opens it up into a break neck pace. Guess who becomes favoured then? His players.

Gargano, Pazienza, Maggio, Zuniga, Dossena. They all can't do shit in a slow, tactical system. You open it up and suddenly Maggio looks like national team material. Zuniga is good again. Gargano tackles everything that moves.

He's just so obsessed with this 4-4-2 hybrid 4-3-3 bullshit. We have the players to take the game to our opponents especially opponents like Lecce.

Krasic, Melo, Pepe, Martinez, Sissoko, Matri. These players are all athletic and quick. They can play the whole field. Chiellini is the perfect defender for an open game. Bonucci has the class to play quick balls.

I mean, the choice is simple. We had guys like Grygera and Grosso comprising half our defence. So we elect to defend all game. We had/have the attackers. But we chose to put our trust in our defenders who are half as good as our attackers.

We try to slow the game down and play methodical, defensive soccer. Guess what? You can't do that with shit like Grygera for 90 minutes. He WILL fuck up eventually. Even though Sorensen is an amazing 18 year old, he WILL fuck up eventually if you rely on him all game.
But we don't really sit back in our matches. It seems like we try to take initiative, but we're just too static in our approach -- which stems from the sort of 4-4-2 we deploy. Some folks here beg DN to play a more defensive approach where we do sit back and absorb attacks, which is a nice idea if you have the fullbacks and the organization to do it (along with a manager like Mourinho), but you've got to be crazy to promote that system looking at our squad.

Imagine us sitting back again Bari... hardy har. How embarrassing. Alvarez and Almiron would still run us.

No he isn't. Our team is never mentally ready for games. I would say 1 out of 4 they are, the rest are just blah. No way should we have gone into Lecce the way we did. We need a coach that can get into the players heads and DN isn't doing that.
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Yup.

I reckon if we had our squad all season, like Napoli, we'd be top 4 now, no problem.
We have most of the squad now, yet we're still deplorable. So there isn't really much basis for what you're saying again.
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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None, aside from the fact we were 2nd (-2) with a full squad (mostly). And when we had a full squad in February (still minus our goleador) we had a good performance against Palermo, two wins to follow, and the abomination on Sunday.

Other than that, nothing. I highlight the abomination because really that's all the current sentiment stems from.
 

RAMI-N

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Aug 22, 2006
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None, aside from the fact we were 2nd (-2) with a full squad (mostly). And when we had a full squad in February (still minus our goleador) we had a good performance against Palermo, two wins to follow, and the abomination on Sunday.

Other than that, nothing. I highlight the abomination because really that's all the current sentiment stems from.
It's not because what happened on Sunday, but because of the way it happened ....
 

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