Let's Talk About Time Travel (3 Viewers)

gray · Oct 18, 2003

Okay, some of you may have preconceived ideas about my threads, but i honestly intend to have a serious discussion here. I don't know why I wanna talk about time travel... I just do

I always think about silly things like this, and it makes me curious.

I don't think time travel will ever happen, but whenever I see a movie where people travel through time, I always start wondering about the logic of the concept. Feel free to bring up concepts/ideas brought up in movies.

Okay, here's a situation I was thinking about, that always confuses me. If you travel back in time and kill your grandparents -> that means they wouldn't have met in the past, right? -> Which means you wouldn't have been born -> Which means you couldn't have gone back in time to kill your grandparents -> Which means you would have been born -> Which means you would've gone back in time to kill your grandparents -> Which means you wouldn't have been born -> Repeat ad infinitum

And another one:

If you went back in time, and killed the guy who invented the time machine i travelled in, that means the time machine wouldn't have been invented, -> which means I couldn't have gone back in time to kill the guy who invented the time machine -> which means he would've invented the time machine, which means i would've gone back in time to kill him -> Repeat ad infinitum

Okay, enough of that repetition thing. Here's another thing I've been thinking about (read carefully because my description probably won't be good)

I always see in movies that people go back in time and meet themselves. Now, the question raised here is: is time a constant? Does this mean that theoretically, there's a "version of yourself" for every single 'time'?

So if i kept using my time machine to go back in time 1 millisecond, then I got 'myself' from 1 millisecond ago, then travelled back in time with my clone 2 milliseconds, and kept doing that...does this mean I'd have an army of 'myselves'? The things we see in movies tend to suggest so.

Now, if i travel back in time 1 minute, and then I stop myself (1 minute ago self) from travelling back in time.... what the heck happens?!? :wth:

That's just the start of my weird thoughts and ideas. I don't know if i can express the inner conflict i have about this concept. What do you guys think?

Gandalf · Oct 18, 2003

maan.. you watch movies a lot..

you forgot it is sci-fiction--> which means it is not true--> which means this thread is useless --< but we can make useful--> which means we have to change the subject--> let's talk about ...
mmmmm.. let me think..mmmm..ok. let's talk about body transfer.. you know in movies..(AGAIN..) when you see people travel from a place to place by being under some device with light spotting on them and BAM.. they vanish.. and appear in another location...
how about that..

BTW, scientist discovered lately a way to transfer a foton (tiny physical unit) from point A to point B which a few meters away..

gray · Oct 18, 2003

:embarass:

Geez thanks :undecide: I know it's fiction, but I'm just wondering about the mechanics of time travel.

Geez thanks :undecide:

About body transfer... ermm lemme think about that one

Gandalf · Oct 18, 2003

if you keep thinking about it.. you will end up with a big headache..it's impossible to happen..

take your time..

btw, what's the time now in Australia..?

Zizou · Oct 18, 2003

Al Harbi you should have more of an open mind and respect other's ideas. Just cause you think it cannot happen, doesn't mean it's set in stone :rolleyes:

I don't see why it cannot happen. Einstein had found himself some scientific proof that it could happen. Anyone ever heard of the Philadelphia Incident? That's quite a story and it happened, not sci-fi.

Just cos it-'s scif- it does not mean it won't happen. If you went back in the 60s and told them of the stuff that exist today, they would have said that it's impossible cos it's only possible in movies.

If I could time travel, I would go forward of two days, know all the Serie A results, come back to the present and bet all my money on them

gray · Oct 18, 2003

20:25

Gandalf · Oct 18, 2003

++ [ originally posted by Zizou ] ++
Al Harbi you should have more of an open mind and respect other's ideas. Just cause you think it cannot happen, doesn't mean it's set in stone :rolleyes:

I don't see why it cannot happen. Einstein had found himself some scientific proof that it could happen. Anyone ever heard of the Philadelphia Incident? That's quite a story and it happened, not sci-fi.

Just cos it-'s scif- it does not mean it won't happen. If you went back in the 60s and told them of the stuff that exist today, they would have said that it's impossible cos it's only possible in movies.

If I could time travel, I would go forward of two days, know all the Serie A results, come back to the present and bet all my money on them

I do respect other's Ideas.. but i'm telling them my ideas also..

and what is that Philadelphia Incident? tell us about it.. maybe I will change my mind..

thanx..

gray · Oct 18, 2003

In 1944, a navy ship and crew were subjected to an experiment like in Star Trek wherein humans are transported and beamed elsewhere.

why did u wanna know?

Gandalf · Oct 18, 2003

I just wanted to know that.. nothing important.. really.. I thought it is 10 hours difference between UAE and Australia, but

it is 18 hours difference..

gray · Oct 18, 2003

18 hours which way?

Zlatan · Oct 18, 2003

OK, gray, but think about this a bit. Some theories say that time is constant, and that you cannot change it. For example, if you go back in time and try to change something, whatever you do will have the same result as, in another time dimension (like you said, maybe every moment in time has its own dimension) whatevery you do the time dimension before you has already done it. Meaning you will always do the same thing, as you already did it in the past and that brought you to that situation. I dont know if you get it, I watched that on Star Trek :undecide:

Zlatan · Oct 18, 2003

Explanation of the alleged "Philadelphia Experimen" from the DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER

" Allegedly, in the fall of 1943 a U.S. Navy destroyer was made invisible and teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia, in an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment. Records in the Operational Archives Branch of the Naval Historical Center have been repeatedly searched, but no documents have been located which confirm the event, or any interest by the Navy in attempting such an achievement.

The ship involved in the experiment was supposedly the USS Eldridge. Operational Archives has reviewed the deck log and war diary from Eldridge's commissioning on 27 August 1943 at the New York Navy Yard through December 1943. The following description of Eldridge's activities are summarized from the ship's war diary. After commissioning, Eldridge remained in New York and in the Long Island Sound until 16 September when it sailed to Bermuda. From 18 September, the ship was in the vicinity of Bermuda undergoing training and sea trials until 15 October when Eldridge left in a convoy for New York where the convoy entered on 18 October. Eldridge remained in New York harbor until 1 November when it was part of the escort for Convoy UGS-23 (New York Section). On 2 November the convoy entered Naval Operating Base, Norfolk. On 3 November, Eldridge and Convoy UGS-23 left for Casablanca where it arrived on 22 November. On 29 November, Eldridge left as one of escorts for Convoy GUS-22 and arrived with the convoy on 17 December at New York harbor. Eldridge remained in New York on availability training and in Block Island Sound until 31 December when it steamed to Norfolk with four other ships. During this time frame, Eldridge was never in Philadelphia.

Eldridge's complete World War II action report and war diary coverage, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, is available on microfilm, NRS-1978-26. The cost of a duplicate film is indicated on the fee schedule. To order a duplicate film, please complete the duplication order form and send a check or money order for the correct amount as indicated on the NHC fee schedule, made payable to the Department of the Navy, to the Operational Archives, at the above address.

Supposedly, the crew of the civilian merchant ship SS Andrew Furuseth observed the arrival via teleportation of the Eldridge into the Norfolk area. Andrew Furuseth's movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Admnistration, (8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001), which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including Eldridge. The movement report cards list the merchant ship's ports of call, the dates of the visit, and convoy designation, if any. The movement report card shows that Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-15 on 16 August 1943 and arrived at Casablanca on 2 September. The ship left Casablanca on 19 September and arrived off Cape Henry on 4 October. Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-22 on 25 October and arrived at Oran on 12 November. The ship remained in the Mediterranean until it returned with Convoy GUS-25 to Hampton Roads on 17 January 1944. The Archives has a letter from Lieutenant Junior Grade William S. Dodge, USNR, (Ret.), the Master of Andrew Furuseth in 1943, categorically denying that he or his crew observed any unusual event while in Norfolk. Eldridge and Andrew Furuseth were not even in Norfolk at the same time.

The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known physical laws. ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was never completed. During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and explosions. There is no indication that Einstein was involved in research relevant to invisibility or to teleportation. ONR's information sheet on the Philadelphia Experiment is attached.

The Philadelphia Experiment has also been called "Project Rainbow." A comprehensive search of the Archives has failed to identify records of a Project Rainbow relating to teleportation or making a ship disappear. In the 1940s, the code name RAINBOW was used to refer to the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis. The RAINBOW plans were the war plans to defeat Italy, Germany and Japan. RAINBOW V, the plan in effect on 7 December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was the plan the U.S. used to fight the Axis powers.

Some researchers have erroneously concluded that degaussing has a connection with making an object invisible. Degaussing is a process in which a system of electrical cables are installed around the circumference of ship's hull, running from bow to stern on both sides. A measured electrical current is passed through these cables to cancel out the ship's magnetic field. Degaussing equipment was installed in the hull of Navy ships and could be turned on whenever the ship was in waters that might contain magnetic mines, usually shallow waters in combat areas. It could be said that degaussing, correctly done, makes a ship "invisible" to the sensors of magnetic mines, but the ship remains visible to the human eye, radar, and underwater listening devices.

After many years of searching, the staff of the Operational Archives and independent researchers have not located any official documents that support the assertion that an invisibility or teleportation experiment involving a Navy ship occurred at Philadelphia or any other location."

Gandalf · Oct 19, 2003

-18, our time is GMT+4.. I think you are ahead of us..

@GOAT: thanx 4 the article, but I can't say that the USS Eldridge actially travelled through time.. maybe there was something wrong.. why the navy didn't support the incident? isn't that odd..? and what did the media say about it at that time..?

something went wrong at that time.. I'm sure it is logical, but the mystery behind it is very unusual..

did anybody make interviews with the crew..? they are the only people who can reveal the truth..

Layce Erayce · Oct 19, 2003

im sure this applies in some way since the philedelphia experiment was based on einstein's theory which stated that time distance and matter were related

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

Gandalf · Oct 19, 2003

thanx for the article, LAC.. that what I wanted to talk about here in this thread at the beginning.. (see 2nd post..) But, I don't think it has anything to do with time travelling.. :rolleyes:

Zizou · Oct 19, 2003

Of course the army would deny it, why would they admit?

Tom · Oct 19, 2003

Do you have any details on this? They actually transported a photon?

Zlatan · Oct 19, 2003

They transported a photon beam of light. Here's the article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

Tom · Oct 19, 2003

cheers Zlatan

Zlatan · Oct 19, 2003

It was in Lac's post just above

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