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pitbull

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Jul 26, 2007
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What if he wanted to stay but we wanted him out ?

Comparing him to Cassano is another nonsensical exaggeration.
If we wanted him out it was for a reason and it had to be a big one. Either Bonucci forced his way out or the club forced him out because of shit he pulled, I don't believe we're doing this for the money.

I didn't want to compare Leo to Cassano, I meant that the reported antics sound like something FatAntonio would pull not a Juve legend, ergo Juventus legend section is not for him.
 

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pitbull

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He is one of the veterans. Who wanted him out? Let's say Gigi and Giorgio.
If Bonucci was that bad at half time, then Allegri should have subbed him. That's Allegri's mistake, too.
Most important, he wasn't horrible for 3 seasons. He was bad 1 season when we had a horrible coach. He was good the season after that and has improved with every year.

So, even if he caused trouble at half-time, he was essential to our success for 6 years. He always gave 100% => he's a legend.
No he wasn't good in Conte's first season, there was a period in that season where for weeks he was at fault for almost every goal we conceded, yet Conte and the club had his back.
 
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    He is one of the veterans. Who wanted him out? Let's say Gigi and Giorgio.
    If Bonucci was that bad at half time, then Allegri should have subbed him. That's Allegri's mistake, too.
    Most important, he wasn't horrible for 3 seasons. He was bad 1 season when we had a horrible coach. He was good the season after that and has improved with every year.

    So, even if he caused trouble at half-time, he was essential to our success for 6 years. He always gave 100% => he's a legend.
    He created a bad atmosphere in the dressing room. Not Allegri. It was pointless to sub him because he wasn't bad, he just had bad attitude which infected the whole team.

    But fine, fair enough, just wanted to hear your side.
     

    Zzak

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    He deserves to be in the Legends section based solely on what he did on the pitch. What happened off the pitch and the fact that he left for Milan should have no impact on this.
    In those 6 years he gave us everything and kept believing in himself even after everyone else lost faith.
    He could have easily become a Rannochia but he kept pushing and became one of the best CB in the world.
    For that alone, he deserves to be in the Legends section.
     

    Azzurri7

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    You know as much as I do, yet you defend him. It's the same thing. Because not even you know if there's more behind it. It seems the only reason he stayed here and didn't leave previous is because his son has gotten ill.

    This looks like a pushed and forced transfers. You only do that if there's some issue about the player. IMO it's crystal clear there was something behind it.
    You are making assumptions of his actions off the pitch when these were only speculations that many figures denied, I am not the one here making assumptions, you are.

    I am defending him based on his behavior on the pitch and how he's been all these 6-7 years.

    Again, you are in no position to attack his attitude off the pitch except for the Allegri incident before Porto match and his move to Milan could be for million other reasons, a double wage? Best paid player in Italy? He wants something new? Allegri isn't convinced he can rely on him anymore? Etc

    You are not being fair with your judgement and you are making it look like a personal dislike.
     

    Suns

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    you know who has a shitty attitude? Cristiano Ronaldo, I don't see Real bargaining him away.

    another good thing for Milan is that this gives them legitimacy.
     
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    You are making assumptions off his actions off the pitch when these were only speculations that many figures denied, I am not the one here making assumptions, you are.

    I am defending him based on his behavior on the pitch and how he's been all these 6-7 years.

    Again, you are in no position to attach his attitude off the pitch except for the Allegri incident before Porto match and his move to Milan could be for million other reasons, a double wage? Best paid player in Italy? He wants something new? Allegri isn't convinced he can rely on him anymore? Etc

    You are not being fair with your judgement and you are making it look like a personal dislike.
    How is it a good attitude on the pitch if he chose to join a rival club for more money? That's a mercenary attitude.


    Btw, I'm not making assumptions on my own. Italian newspapers are filled with it. You can't just say it's a speculation. Speculation was also Douglas Costa, Higuain, Pjanic and others, yet all became our players based on a story. Some info leaks and it's the truth.


    I'll say it once more: this looks like a forced move because I don't think we'd ever sell Bonucci, especially considering he's Italian. It just means something went wrong there.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Dostoevsky

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    Good point. I'm sure both Ronaldo and Messi are way worse than Bonucci.
    C.Ronaldo is probably ten times worse. But he's the best player in his generation and generates as much profit alone as 1.000 Bonucci's just with his jersey being sold and him showing up on matches. He brings them 100 goals per season. He has the right to be an asshole. And HE can't be replaced, not yet at least.
     

    Azzurri7

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    How is it a good attitude on the pitch if he chose to join a rival club for more money? That's a mercenary attitude.
    Why are you jumping stories? Our topic was his attitude, you are mentioning his off the pitch attitude incidents without any evidence or one man from the club confirming the below. Joining Milan is a different story, that's a different topic.

    Btw, I'm not making assumptions on my own. Italian newspapers are filled with it. You can't just say it's a speculation. Speculation was also Douglas Costa, Higuain, Pjanic and others, yet all became our players based on a story. Some info leaks and it's the truth.
    You want me to name you the things Italian newspapers has wrote or said about Juve players that weren't true in the last years?

    I'll say it once more: this looks like a forced move because I don't think we'd ever sell Bonucci, especially considering he's Italian. It just means something went wrong there.
    Probably a forced move yes, but it doesn't justify you to label him unfairly when it's all speculations and cheap newspapers.
     

    Liviu

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    Management is here to buy quality football players and not to change the personality of a grown man.
    Management is also here to protect the it's assets and the club image. Once you notice problems, you take actions before it's too late and you have your hands tied. This could be much smoother if they sold him sooner / don't cave into his "only italy" pref.
     

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