Leonardo Bonucci (115 Viewers)

[Nzoric]

Step one of forcing his madrid move.

Deserves every penny of it.

 

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[DUKAC]

Step one of forcing his madrid move.

No ,every shitface EPL defender earns 3-4 mil,BonBom although not my favourite deserved.2 mil.curently is way too little for him.

 

[Fred]

He's a more complete CB than Terry. Its hard to argue anythong else imo.

That doesn't always mean much though. Sure he's a better footballer than Terry, but Terry is much better at what he does.

 

[Nzoric]

That doesn't always mean much though. Sure he's a better footballer than Terry, but Terry is much better at what he does.

How do you define "what he does". Terry is great when he has to cover very little space and defend from the edge of his own box. I would argue that Bonucci's awareness would make him just as effective in that particular role on that particular team. What Bonucci does much better is defend open spaces and distribute the ball when we get it.

 

[Fred]

How do you define "what he does". Terry is great when he has to cover very little space and defend from the edge of his own box. I would argue that Bonucci's awareness would make him just as effective in that particular role on that particular team. What Bonucci does much better is defend open spaces and distribute the ball when we get it.

I don't think Bonucci would do well in open spaces either. He too relies on his reading of the game and his positioning a lot more than he does on tackling or one on one defending. Try putting Bonucci in La Liga and see what happens. That being said, it's natural for defenders to excel in different circumstances based on their skillset. I'd still say Terry is a better defender than Bonucci and has proven it at the top level for years. He's stronger physically, he's better in the air and rarely puts a foot wrong. Bonucci makes more mistakes (even though he's improved on that this season ), but he's definitely more technically astute and a better distributee of the ball.

 

[JuveID]

Rugani relies in his reading game. We call him another scirea.
While bonucci..

 

[Ocelot]

I don't think Bonucci would do well in open spaces either. He too relies on his reading of the game and his positioning a lot more than he does on tackling or one on one defending. Try putting Bonucci in La Liga and see what happens. That being said, it's natural for defenders to excel in different circumstances based on their skillset. I'd still say Terry is a better defender than Bonucci and has proven it at the top level for years. He's stronger physically, he's better in the air and rarely puts a foot wrong. Bonucci makes more mistakes (even though he's improved on that this season ), but he's definitely more technically astute and a better distributee of the ball.

It all comes down to how Bonucci continues to play the next few years. If he manages to keep his performances on the high level of this season, I think there could be an argument made for him being better than Terry, right now there's still the possibility of 2014/15 having been an exceptional year for an otherwise decent player.

 

[Fred]

It all comes down to how Bonucci continues to play the next few years. If he manages to keep his performances on the high level of this season, I think there could be an argument made for him being better than Terry, right now there's still the possibility of 2014/15 having been an exceptional year for an otherwise decent player.

I just don't see it. Terry has been one of the best center backs in Europe for over 10 years now. For me there's also a clear difference in ability between him and Bonucci. The latter has had a great season but it will be a long shot for him to reach Terry's level, someone who has been one of the best for 10 years now. I'm not sure if it's the recency effect as a result of Bonucci's form or people here underrating Terry , imo comparing the two is a long shot.

 

[Ocelot]

I just don't see it. Terry has been one of the best center backs in Europe for over 10 years now. For me there's also a clear difference in ability between him and Bonucci. The latter has had a great season but it will be a long shot for him to reach Terry's level, someone who has been one of the best for 10 years now. I'm not sure if it's the recency effect as a result of Bonucci's form or people here underrating Terry , imo comparing the two is a long shot.

Bonucci last season was very much on a level with Terry imo. I mean they certainly specialise in different facets of the game, but overall, and both at their best, it's hard for me to choose either of them.

 

[Fred]

Bonucci last season was very much on a level with Terry imo. I mean they certainly specialise in different facets of the game, but overall, and both at their best, it's hard for me to choose either of them.

That is a fair statement, still this is the first season that Bonucci has had at this level. For him to be compared to Terry he'll have to consistently play at this level for a number of years. He's 28 already and this is the first season where he can be considered one of the top defenders. To say its difficult to choose between Bonucci and Terry at their best, kind of implies that Bonucci's performance last season was not an anomaly, for Terry his performance last season was one of many good seasons he's had over the last 10 years.

 

[Ocelot]

That is a fair statement, still this is the first season that Bonucci has had at this level. For him to be compared to Terry he'll have to consistently play at this level for a number of years. He's 28 already and this is the first season where he can be considered one of the top defenders. To say its difficult to choose between Bonucci and Terry at their best, kind of implies that Bonucci's performance last season was not an anomaly, for Terry his performance last season was one of many good seasons he's had over the last 10 years.

That's why I said it all depends on how he carries on next season I think we're basically agreeing anyways, look at what I wrote here:

It all comes down to how Bonucci continues to play the next few years. If he manages to keep his performances on the high level of this season, I think there could be an argument made for him being better than Terry, right now there's still the possibility of 2014/15 having been an exceptional year for an otherwise decent player.

I just thought that you were contesting that even the Bonucci of last season was a level below Terry, with which I wouldn't agree.

 

[Fred]

That's why I said it all depends on how he carries on next season I think we're basically agreeing anyways, look at what I wrote here:



I just thought that you were contesting that even the Bonucci of last season was a level below Terry, with which I wouldn't agree.

I was contesting that it doesn't matter as much as people make it out to be. Its one season, and its an anomaly for him. Not to mention, even if he does keep it up, how long will that be for? As i said Terry has been one of the best for 10 years now, that is amazing consistency, to expect bonucci to do that when he's 28 already would be a very bold expectation.

 

[Cronios]

We have suffered too much to let him go just when he becomes Juve material!

 

[Nzoric]

Does @Fred forget the ywo year slump where Terry looked like he couldnt stop a turtle with downs?

 

[Raz]

Does everybody forget the whole playing career up until last season where you could expect to concede a goal at any point in time from bon bons mistake, or the whole years of frustrating long pass attempts from him? Nah, one good season and he's amongst the best in the world.

 

[DAiDEViL]

Does @Fred forget the ywo year slump where Terry looked like he couldnt stop a turtle with downs?

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Does everybody forget the whole playing career up until last season where you could expect to concede a goal at any point in time from bon bons mistake, or the whole years of frustrating long pass attempts from him? Nah, one good season and he's amongst the best in the world.

well, last season he was worldclass. don’t fool yourself.
the question is just if he’ll be able to keep playing on this level.
...for the long passes - i blame conte, or do you see them often under allegri?

 

[Nzoric]

Does everybody forget the whole playing career up until last season where you could expect to concede a goal at any point in time from bon bons mistake, or the whole years of frustrating long pass attempts from him? Nah, one good season and he's amongst the best in the world.

Basically everyone in here acknowledges that this was his first great season. We're talking about Freds argument that Terry has been a top defender consistently for 10 years..

 

[Fred]

Does @Fred forget the ywo year slump where Terry looked like he couldnt stop a turtle with downs?

No I haven't, my favorite time in the last 10-11 years of Terry's career.

Especially when Benitez famously said he couldn't play two games in a week and he was finished

But come on man, for most of the time he was consistently one of the best in Europe. A couple of bad years does not erase a career of being an extremely solid defender. I dislike him and would enjoy him failing, but credit where it's due.

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Basically everyone in here acknowledges that this was his first great season. We're talking about Freds argument that Terry has been a top defender consistently for 10 years..

I know Ronaldo and Messi have changed the meaning of the word consistent. But try and remember a time when consistency did allow for a few bad seasons if you had 5-6 really good ones

Anyway, come on man. Mr. Juventus himself, Del Piero, we all agree that he was one of the best players in Europe in his time. Did he not have a couple of bad seasons?

 

[Nzoric]

No I haven't, my favorite time in the last 10-11 years of Terry's career.

Especially when Benitez famously said he couldn't play two games in a week and he was finished

But come on man, for most of the time he was consistently one of the best in Europe. A couple of bad years does not erase a career of being an extremely solid defender. I dislike him and would enjoy him failing, but credit where it's due.

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I know Ronaldo and Messi have changed the meaning of the word consistent. But try and remember a time when consistency did allow for a few bad seasons if you had 5-6 really good ones

Anyway, come on man. Mr. Juventus himself, Del Piero, we all agree that he was one of the best players in Europe in his time. Did he not have a couple of bad seasons?

Of course Terry had a great career and in the right system, to this day, is a great defender. Don't think anyone was disputing that. I think it speaks more of how highly we rate Bonbon after this season than anything bad about Terry.

 

[Fred]

Of course Terry had a great career and in the right system, to this day, is a great defender. Don't think anyone was disputing that. I think it speaks more of how highly we rate Bonbon after this season than anything bad about Terry.

Perhaps so, and this is where I think you guys are taking it too far. It's one thing to say he had as good a season as Terry, it's another to say they are on a similar level and/or he is as good a defender or better.

People need to be careful when judging in form players and be more reserved in their judgment when comparing them to established players is all I'm saying.