Keita Baldé Diao - LW/SS - Lazio (7 Viewers)

[Osman]

Your rant is based on what you perceived to be a suggestion of mine to play Manzo upfront as striker. But I said Dybala and Manzo as spear heads for 4231 which means Dybala is the CF and Manzo his replacement.

I am sick and tired of trying to punch it into everybody's brain that Dybala is a forward and if you have a forward and look for a CAM (summer 16 mercato) the smarter thing to do is to buy a CAM and not another striker while forcing the first one out of position

This isn't even about Higuain, but the overall purchase of a striker with other positions uncovered and weak.

Discussion over

Dybala playing sole CF in 4-2-3-1 under Allegri (or under most coaches?) Yeah, try something more realistic, because there is zero zero chance of that happening. If you want Dybala in attack agian then suggest we go back to 2 man attack. Anything else is wishful hot air.


The overall position of a striker was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, wether we went for 2 man attack or 4-2-3-1, Higauin or another top striker was an absolute must. It took 7 months later for Allegri to change to one man attack simply because our midfield was too much of a mess without winger role. But either way, it does not change the reality that Dybala does not play sole striker under any shape or form for Allegri, and signing a CF was PRIORITY. We lost Morata, not even attempting to replace him and going for midfield purchaces would made most posters here go bezerk, you included. Instead of now sounding spoilt enough that you deem 32 goals striker not a necessary signing and hoping we would played Dybala sole striker which was never going to happen. He is a creative support forward, who yes is much more deadly nearer the box, but he is unfortunate in that simply speaking the team is much much better with wingbased single striker approach. He is still doing fine, just not in a position to score as much.

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I like him more as a striker or inside forward type. I don't like him much as a 4-4-2 winger.

He is never a 4-4-2 winger, not many wingers are that type anymore, he is the prototypical 4-3-3 inside forward winger/wide forward thats majority of wide players now. And he does that very well. Its just as SS playing off Immobile it gave him more space to punish naive defenders, especially since his finishing improved past year (before his big hot streak too). But its not too different from a 4-3-3 wide forward, since they too ge the license to create havoc and move all over most of the times these days.

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Well he is linked with loans, either smaller side in Italy or to dutch league.

Hopefully within Italy, I'm selfish, because I mean, who the fuck watches the dutch league?

 

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[Lapa]

Bring back Ale!!!

 

[Osman]

Hopefully you're right. I'd go mad if we miss out on him.

He keeps rejecting 5-6 clubs so far it seems, unless we out of the blue dont want him, something is clear here, that we made him promises to join us. He is defenitely earmarked for us.

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Bring back Ale!!!

 

[Rollie]

If that's the only way you judge players, I'm sorry that you have such a limited understanding of football. Must be frustrating for you.

Higuain is a small game player. But he does score a lot of goals against weak opponents, that's why I said he's kinda irrelevant, not completely irrelevant. His performances in important games against strong or even semi-strong opposition have been catastrophic. And we are not talking about a small sample size here. That's almost all his games for Real Madrid, Napoli and Argentina. In the CL with us he scored 2 goals in the KO stages in 7 matches, both against Monaco when he fucked up 2 more goals (the problem with all strikers is that even if they miss 10 chances, as soon as they score 1 goal people have a brain freeze and forget that). He was poor in all the other games.

Juventus won the league 5 times in a row without having a prolific goalscorer in the league. It's all about style of play. Real Madrid have a certain style that guarantees that even if you put my granny as CF, she's bound to score some goals in the league. Morata scored 15 as a sub last season and he's never scored more than 8 before that. Same thing with Napoli, though they're obviously not as good. They sold Higuain and Mertens scored 30. Before that they had Cavani.

Did we really buy Higuain to score against Pescara and Crotone? We don't need him for that. Did we buy him to weaken Napoli? If we did then it didn't work, because they scored more goals and won more points without him. Why? Because he's easily replaceable.

We sold Pogba for a record fee and we should have used that money to boost our chances in the CL. Instead we blew it on a fat, 29-year-old proven choker, who's only gonna get slower, fatter and his value is going to plummet in the next 24 months.

I mean, can anyone really say with a straight face that Higuain was essential in our CL run? We could have played Quags in his place with the same success.

Pogba may have been overpriced, but he's still a good player and 5 years from now he'll be in his prime, worth a lot of money and Higuain will be a retired couch potato.

I love how you declare my understanding of football limited because I disagreed that a striker who led our club in scoring in both of Juve's major competitions -- during a record setting season that was almost indisputably the best season in club history -- is "kinda irrelevant". One half away from an all-time historic treble, that couldn't have been argued.

Take your fucking meds, and go outside. Fresh air and exercise will help to rebalance that brain chemistry of yours. I see you all over these boards bashing one of our best players, even badmouthing other posters for supporting him, because you don't like the guy and we paid too much money for him.

The rest of your post barely deserves a response, it's so cherry picked. 20 goals and 7 assists in 29 starts was pretty good from Tevez -- especially given his work rate all over the field. Morata isn't supposed to get better, and score more as he ages? Napoli wasn't supposed to improve in their 2nd season under Sarri, as they grew to better understand his tactics, and players gelled? Qtube could have had the same impact as Higuain in CL? Because he offers the same movement and holdup play as Gonzalo? Because Quagliarella was tactically disciplined, and well known for his consistent productivity? Give me a fucking break.

You obviously hate the player, that much is clear. However, you still claim to be a Juventus fan, so why don't you act like it, and support everybody on the damn team. Even a water carrier like Higuain, who only led the team in scoring for both of the major competitions. In his first season at the club.

This is the new standard of Tuz now, you just have to avoid certain topics for your braincells sake.

There are legitly people here who convinced themselves Mandzukic is better then Higauin for us, straight up hatoration up in here.

A bit unreal, really.

What amazes me is just how much moaning is going on lately, considering 6 consecutive scudetti, 3 consecutive coppas, and 2/3 CL finals. Not to mention a new stadium, new HQ/facilities, more sponsorship by the day, and quite a healthy balance sheet. Every move might not be inch-perfect, but it's effectively impossible to claim this team is poorly managed.

A lot of dim, whinging, spoiled fair-weather fans around Juventuz these days. I saw that Juliano13 guy claiming in another post that half of our starting lineup was terrible, which is why we sucked so badly last year. In a season where a lot of pundits thought Juventus had the most balanced squad in Europe. Missed out on what would have clearly been our most prestigious season -- EVER -- by 45 minutes. If it was 2006-2010, this lot would probably be up on the rooftops, leaning out over the edge.

 

[Stephan]

Hopefully within Italy, I'm selfish, because I mean, who the $#@! watches the dutch league?

Well Ajax got to Europe League final, so if he would go there he might get some european experience. But PSV crashed out from europe for 17-18 season already.

 

[Osman]

Well Ajax got to Europe League final, so if he would go there he might get some european experience. But PSV crashed out from europe for 17-18 season already.

Ajax crashed out from CL qualifiers. Dutch teams in dire straits.

 

[Stephan]

Ajax crashed out from CL qualifiers. Dutch teams in dire straits.

Yes, but like i said, at least Ajax in europe league, and that would still be good experience for someone like Kean. They did make the final last season.

But PSV havent done s--t in europe since Hiddnk left.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Been seeing a few reports saying he's staying at Lazio. Really hope we finalize this deal after the super cup. I personally feel he'll be a big addition to the team whether as a rotational starter or one of the first choices off the bench. What I like about him is his direct running and ability to finish himself which I feel Costa, Cuadrado and Pjaca (unproven) don't have as of yet. 16 goals in 21 starts, 10 sub appearances is great. Massive improvement having this guy rotate in for smaller serie a games/come on as a sub compared to cuadrado/lemina last year

 

[Snobist]

No, but someone who actually seen him for Lazio. Ofcourse he has been more effective as SS attacker and has had his breakout in that in last 2 months of the season. But everything before that doesnt go out the window. That link shows 7 games in attack and 24 games between wide role or attacking mid/side midfielder. Get it? What his more familiar with his career so far has been a winger, just because he has become deadly enough in attacking phase doesnt suddenly change all that.


Lazio changed to 3-5-2 formation in spring (compared to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3) and since he has no overall work ethic or creative playing style like Felipe Anderson, he played in 2 man attack and did very well. Emphasis on SS here, because when I say CF, I refer SOLELY to someone who can play sole center forward on his own. Keita doesnt do that, atleast not as effectively, he was a support forward with insane counter attacking ability playing off Immobile. He had the freedom to drift everywhere he wanted, and he often did so by going wide and cutting in, since it gave him more 1-1 duels, that is when he wasnt playing on counters, then it didnt matter because if he had momentum, they stood no chance most of the time. Case in point is the Rome derby, he was everywhere in attack, everywhere. And he has honed his finishing skills enough to just pounce on moves. His evolution reminds me a bit of a young Aubameyang in St Etienne.

Imobbile always have a good partner for counter-attacks!

 

[Bianconero81]

So, are we getting this guy? At least it'll give us something to smile about at the end of the mercato, with Matuidi and Spinazolla being the names currently doing the rounds.

I really hope we don't burn bridges with Lazio as that would mean no SMS next season, which would suck. It's enough that we potentially missed out on a wonderful striker with Schick. Let's just give Lazio 100 million for De Vrij, SMS, and Keita

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

What's wrong with Spinazzola? One of the better LB (LWB) in the league last season, good age and a youth product? Can cover both sides too.

 

[Bianconero81]

What's wrong with Spinazzola? One of the better LB (LWB) in the league last season, good age and a youth product? Can cover both sides too.

I don't think he's ready yet (he even said it himself). He's too raw. I'd rather allow him to develop there, play a few EL games with Atalanta, and then possibly have him come in January, or even next summer.

 

[dyl1dyl]

So, are we getting this guy? At least it'll give us something to smile about at the end of the mercato, with Matuidi and Spinazolla being the names currently doing the rounds.

I really hope we don't burn bridges with Lazio as that would mean no SMS next season, which would suck. It's enough that we potentially missed out on a wonderful striker with Schick. Let's just give Lazio 100 million for De Vrij, SMS, and Keita

if those 3 come in before the end of the window. it will be one of the best windows ever even though we lose bonnuci. haha, honestly, I'd be overjoyed with even 2 out of 3

 

[Bianconero81]

@Hustini @Wittl @zizinho

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I don't think he's ready yet (he even said it himself). He's too raw. I'd rather allow him to develop there, play a few EL games with Atalanta, and then possibly have him come in January, or even next summer.

He was just being modest.

We need him now. Can't go into the season with Asamoah and Lichtsteiner being our back-up LB and RB. He is definitely ready to be at least a back up player for us. And he won't cost us a cent. No brainer really.

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Yep, I honestly expected us to sign 1 winger, us signing 3 good wingers while keeping Cuadrado is defenitely an overkill I didn't expect lol.


I say 3 because even if Keita is a deadly scorer as SS (he ain't CF), he is really a natural winger first and foremost still.

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LOL same, I said the same in another thread. I honestly thought we'd only sign Costa...but to sign Berna and Keita as well, whilst keeping Cuadraro as well (Kean will be loaned out IMO) is just WTF level depth

 

[Juliano13]

I saw that Juliano13 guy claiming in another post that half of our starting lineup was terrible, which is why we sucked so badly last year. In a season where a lot of pundits thought Juventus had the most balanced squad in Europe. Missed out on what would have clearly been our most prestigious season -- EVER -- by 45 minutes. If it was 2006-2010, this lot would probably be up on the rooftops, leaning out over the edge.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have a limited understanding of football. It appears you have trouble with the thought process in general.

 

[Rollie]

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you have a limited understanding of football. It appears you have trouble with the thought process in general.

Thanks, ye gracious, benevolent, paradigm of football enlightenment.

Seriously. Take your fucking meds. Go outside, get some fresh air, and enjoy life -- rather than railing against our own players, and Juventini.

 

[IliveForJuve]

No, but someone who actually seen him for Lazio. Ofcourse he has been more effective as SS attacker and has had his breakout in that in last 2 months of the season. But everything before that doesnt go out the window. That link shows 7 games in attack and 24 games between wide role or attacking mid/side midfielder. Get it? What his more familiar with his career so far has been a winger, just because he has become deadly enough in attacking phase doesnt suddenly change all that.


Lazio changed to 3-5-2 formation in spring (compared to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3) and since he has no overall work ethic or creative playing style like Felipe Anderson, he played in 2 man attack and did very well. Emphasis on SS here, because when I say CF, I refer SOLELY to someone who can play sole center forward on his own. Keita doesnt do that, atleast not as effectively, he was a support forward with insane counter attacking ability playing off Immobile. He had the freedom to drift everywhere he wanted, and he often did so by going wide and cutting in, since it gave him more 1-1 duels, that is when he wasnt playing on counters, then it didnt matter because if he had momentum, they stood no chance most of the time. Case in point is the Rome derby, he was everywhere in attack, everywhere. And he has honed his finishing skills enough to just pounce on moves. His evolution reminds me a bit of a young Aubameyang in St Etienne.

You're talking about his senior career with Lazio.

Much, if not most of his youth career was spent as a striker. This is actually explained in Marti Perarnau's book Senda de Campeones: de la Masía al Camp Nou in which he, among other things, explains the development of the best players who went through La Masía and he talks quite a lot about Keita and how his best position was as a striker. He was only moved to the wing (short before Barca kicked him out) because Dongou arrived, who was more of a tank while Keita was a lot more versatile.

But you're right that he's also a good winger. I really want us to sign him.

 

[DAiDEViL]

@Hustini @Wittl @zizinho

 

[Dostoevsky]

Corriere dello Sport saying that we're close to sign Keita.

It will happen after the Coppa match.