Keisuke Honda - AM - CSKA Moscow (18 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

that had nothing to do with Pirlo - the whole team was already on the way down, without motivation ... that same season even average Serie A teams dominated Milan resulting in Milan not making even the CL.
This being said, I agree that Pirlo is unlikely to be suitable for a 2 men midfield ... my guess, however, is that Conte will quickly realize that this is not Serie B he is playing in and will adjust his tactics to a 3-men mid.

I don't think Juve have the players even for a 4-4-2, let alone 4-2-4 - you guys played a 4-4-2, on paper, under Lippi but on the left wing, you had players like Zidane first and then Nedved, who are really central attacking mids and not real wingers, so they would usually cut in and that provided equilibrium to the whole team. Even players like Di Livio and then Camo - the right wingers - were not typical wingers but could play a more "inner" midfield role. Most importantly, however, they both were fighters ... Juve, right now, simply does not have such players.

So, I think your best bet for a solid and equilibrated team is one playing with a 3-men mid.

my 2 cents

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[Red]

that had nothing to do with Pirlo - the whole team was already on the way down, without motivation ... that same season even average Serie A teams dominated Milan resulting in Milan not making even the CL.
This being said, I agree that Pirlo is unlikely to be suitable for a 2 men midfield ... my guess, however, is that Conte will quickly realize that this is not Serie B he is playing in and will adjust his tactics to a 3-men mid.

I don't think Juve have the players even for a 4-4-2, let alone 4-2-4 - you guys played a 4-4-2, on paper, under Lippi but on the left wing, you had players like Zidane first and then Nedved, who are really central attacking mids and not real wingers, so they would usually cut in and that provided equilibrium to the whole team. Even players like Di Livio and then Camo - the right wingers - were not typical wingers but could play a more "inner" midfield role. Most importantly, however, they both were fighters ... Juve, right now, simply does not have such players.

So, I think your best bet for a solid and equilibrated team is one playing with a 3-men mid.

my 2 cents

I wasn't blaming Pirlo for that game, merely suggesting that it didn't exactly help Fred's argument.

 

[acmilan]

I wasn't blaming Pirlo for that game, merely suggesting that it didn't exactly help Fred's argument.

I see ... well, I hope you can understand my weakness for Pirlo even if he is a Juve player now

 

[Red]

I've consistently said that signing Pirlo was a good move by Juve.

It's just that since the signing I've spent a fair amount of time arguing against playing him in a 4-4-2/4-2-4 system.

 

[Fred]

Time well tell Red. I personally believe that it is a myth that players like Pirlo need two defensive midfielders to protect them. Its not like Pirlo doesn't do any defending at all. He might not be much of a tackler, but he does read the game well, i remember he had one of the highest ball interception statistics in the 2006 World Cup. If he is played alongside a good enough defensive mid, imo he would manage. Granted you would probably need your wingers to help out in defense when playing against the tougher teams.

 

[Red]

Who said anything about playing him with two defensive midfielders?

He needs to play with midfielders who can defend, not necessarily defensive midfielders.

 

[acmilan]

I've consistently said that signing Pirlo was a good move by Juve.

It's just that since the signing I've spent a fair amount of time arguing against playing him in a 4-4-2/4-2-4 system.

Red, I don;t think it's just Pirlo not fitting the 4-4-2 or it's glorified version, 4-2-4.
I believe, generally, Juve does not have the players, who would make the system work for Juve the way it should work for a top team - Juve under Lippi, or ManU now.

Juve right now has, and seems to be looking for wingers of the Krasic type and, a 4-4-2 would make you guys play like a midtable team - lacking balance thruout the field ... may be dangerous going forward, but it's overall equilibrium that makes a team great.

 

[Fred]

Who said anything about playing him with two defensive midfielders?

He needs to play with midfielders who can defend, not necessarily defensive midfielders.

Ya thats what i meant.

 

[Suns]

本田　ユベントス有力　クラブ間交渉はすでに金銭面


イタリアの名門ユベントスが、今夏の移籍市場でＣＳＫＡモスクワの日本代表ＭＦ本田圭佑（２５）の獲得に動いていることが２７日、分かった。

　関係者によると、新スタジアムで迎える来季の目玉選手に本田を指名。既に金銭面を含めたクラブ間交渉を重ねているという。これまでに数々のビッグクラブが本田の獲得に興味を示していたが、本格交渉に発展したのは今回が初めて。「ユベントス本田」誕生が有力となった。

　ロシアリーグで毎試合のように得点に絡んでアピールを続けてきた本田が、ビッグクラブを動かした。関係者によると、イタリア・セリエＡの強豪ユベントスが本田獲得に向け、ＣＳＫＡモスクワと金銭面を含めたクラブ間交渉を進めているという。来季、伝統のビアンコネロ（白と黒）のユニホームに袖を通す可能性が急浮上した。

　１０年Ｗ杯南アフリカ大会で日本代表の１６強に貢献した本田には、アーセナル、リバプール、ＡＣミランなど、多くのビッグクラブが興味を示した。だが、１０００万ユーロ（約１２億円）を下らないとされる移籍金がネックとなり、いずれも正式オファーには至らなかった。本格交渉に発展したのは今回が初めてとなった。

　“イタリアの貴婦人”の異名を持つユベントスは国内最多のリーグ優勝２７回を誇る名門。今季リーグ戦７位に終わって来季の欧州チャンピオンズリーグ出場権を逃したが、かねてビッグクラブへの移籍を目標に掲げていた本田の希望に合致している。

　パスセンスも際立つ本田が加入すれば、マトリ、デルピエロの新旧イタリア代表ＦＷとの共演が注目となる。さらに「俺たちが日本代表を引っ張ろう」と誓い合っているインテル・ミラノのＤＦ長友とのビッグクラブ同士での日本人対決も実現する。本田の去就からますます目が離せなくなってきた。

　≪ユベントス≫１８９７年トリノを本拠地に創設。１９３０～３１年シーズンからセリエＡで５連覇を達成するなど最多優勝２７回を誇る。２００６年に発覚した“八百長関与”で０６～０７年は初めて２部降格も、１年でセリエＡに復帰した。イタリア杯の優勝９回も最多で、欧州ＣＬは前身の欧州チャンピオンズ杯を含めて８５、９６年に優勝。

　≪セリエＡと日本人≫９４年にＦＷカズが日本人として初めてジェノア移籍を実現させ、世界最高峰セリエＡへの道を切り開いた。その後、ＭＦ中田、名波、中村、小笠原、ＦＷ柳沢ら日本を代表する選手が次々と挑戦。０１年には、中田が名門ローマで日本人初のスクデット獲得を実現させた。現在はＦＷ森本とＤＦ長友がプレー。特に長友は今冬、チェゼーナからビッグクラブのインテル・ミラノに移籍。定位置を確保し、セリエＡでもっとも成功した日本人選手となった。

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[The Curr]

Please translate.

 

[JBF]

 

[acmilan]

...

a quote from Japanese media, basically saying that the negotiations for Honda are at an advanced stage as Juve and the player are discussing personal terms already.

 

[blondu]

would be nice

 

[Kasaki]

a quote from Japanese media, basically saying that the negotiations for Honda are at an advanced stage as Juve and the player are discussing personal terms already.

You speak ____________ too?

 

[Hust]

 

[The Curr]

a quote from Japanese media, basically saying that the negotiations for Honda are at an advanced stage as Juve and the player are discussing personal terms already.

I also can use google.

 

[acmilan]

You speak ____________ too?

not sure what you mean by "___________" ... is your browser not showing the Japanese characters?

And no, I don't speak Japanese

I also can use google.

good to know

 

[Kasaki]

not sure what you mean by "___________" ... is your browser not showing the Japanese characters?

Oh that's what it is....You understand Japanese?

 

[A͎u͎s͎h͎]

Really like this player... Never know what to expect, back in the box. Kenneth and I have been following since VVV Venlo days...

 

[acmilan]

Oh that's what it is....You understand Japanese?

no, I don't ... would love to learn it soon though ... big fan of Japanese culture, in general