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ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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I ve always repeating in each and every SS thread we were linked to, that we should rather buy some defenders instead, but if we have to buy a forward, this has to be a finisher, as we already have about 8 and only 1 actual finisher (Toni)

Heck, i was even saying that since Amauri days, as we were about to sell off Treze and keep DP and Iaq...
By the end of august 31, all of you wishful thinkers dellusionists hide in your wormholes or stubbornly avoid/forget any logical argument made in the mercato and just hope for the best.
I believe our development is made on the transfer window and once it closes, we can only go as far, as the available material and coach can get us.
We are setting the standards here and now.
ATM, considering that the transfer window is about to close in window, i believe that the moves we have made thus far were terrible and unwise. Thats a fact based on the transfers made so far.
You are the ones who assumes that we will buy more useful players and you judge that our mercato is far is great, because you have faith that Marotta will make up for his mistakes and buy in the last days, the players that didnt bought in 3 months.
Typical delusional thinking and you dare to flame my objective assessment on the transfer actions that were made, that are real and irrevocable.

As far Melo, that the BS you want to believe, Melo knew that they were going to offload him and thats he RIGHTFULLY made those comments.
The intend to sell him, no matter the cost was proved by the disastrous deal Marotta made, that deal proved that Melo was right all along and the decision to ditch he was already made, despite the fact that he was one of our best players in the past season, and that he has given his all for our jersey.
This is not the first time such a thing occurs, Diego, Giovinco and many other players were also ditched in the shame way and the collective loss of those sale outs, has a HUGE economic impact on our economy and our effort to build a competitive squad.

Now you can be a hypocrite and blame the players all you want, by ignoring the pattern that is present throughout all our recent history, a pattern that i have recognized and pointed out through the very beginning, a pattern that undermines our efforts to grow and condemn us to waste our limited resources and remain a mediocre club with higher capabilities...

I raise the question again, do you think that it is random that we are wasting the largest part of our resources and attention at acquiring a new SS and a new CM each and every season, since our return from serie A??
Do you think that it random that we have avoided to invest on the defense as much as possible?
Do you think that the choices of the puppet coaches is also random?
Do you honestly fail to see the pattern that is repeated each and every year?

FFS i ve pointing it out since the first year, five years this thing has been repeated and you still fail to see it?

Ang again, you still instist that Vucinic and Vidal were the player we needed the most?
You still insist that a CB better than Bonucci wouldnt help our cause more.
You still insist that LB better than Ziegler wouldnt hhelp our cause more.
You still insist that a LW better than Martinez wouldnt help our cause more.

You still believe that Vidal and Vucinic are so much more superior than Melo+Quaq, that will be able to compensate for Bonucci's, Zeglier's and Martinez lapses.
If you actually believe, then excuse me, but you are just an idiot who is not only clueless about football, but also a moron who was learned nothing by the Iaq, Amauri, Tiago, Almiron, Poulsen, Quaq, Diego etc mistakes...
If our board fools you once, by giving you false hopes by hyped players who can only make the difference on papers, shame on them, but fool you twice, thrice or indefinitely, only proves that you are mentally challenged and never learn from your mistakes.

As for the forward situation, Marotta has failed to sell/release/swap/loan them.
Not all, but not even one of them and yet you are hurry to forget him about that.
Thats ok, lets hope that he knows what he is doing and blame everything on Secco, everybody was supporting up until yesterday, when i was the pessimist who were bashing him...

But how can you forget him for the Acquisition of a whole new pack of forwards, when we already have so many available options.

Marotta fails to offload Secco's mistakes Amauri and Iaq, ok but why not keep them as squad players and add yet another squad in Toni last year then? He has just added one more problem to the equation now, is this Secco's fault as well?
Why add Quaq, when he sees that he is not reliable enough to make the season and is still stacked with Seccos squad players and his squad player??
The decision to buy Vucinic automatically turn Quaq into our 4th forward sub, wtf, is he interested on a 5th now??
Seriously, thats totally insane and no matter how biased to eternal optimism one may be, the acquisition of yet another forward and a failure to buy a LW/CB starter, should verify the incompetence and complete failure of this mercato.

Thats exactly what i said. Based on my exp, ii believe thats possible, because i believe that Marotta is that incompetent.
Just like i said before we buy Vidal, that if we buy him, it will be a tragic mistake with catastrophic consequences to our economy.
That was my opinion before it happened, as it did happened, i will not change my mind now, because you or any other delusional fan will call me negative.
My opinion on the Vucinic acquisition before we bought him, was that it would be a tragic mistake, that will undermine our chances to buy a competent winger starter like Vargas and so far it seems that i was spot on, our limited resources were wasted, our inability to sell confirmed and the end result is that we will end up with someone like Perotti, or even worse and suffer again from the very same issues we have been suffering since Neddy's retirement and for the same stupid reason again (to add yet another dribbler SS, to appease the fans and ignite their hopes)
My opinion on Quaq since his injury is that he is unreliable and we should rather buy a new starter and scrap him, because we already have too many squad players for the SS position (DP, Iaq, Amauri) we bought him too.
We commit one mistake behind the other and you ignore them all because you just prefer to see the good part, of a new and more promising arrival.
You easily forget that the same arguments were again used when Amauri was brought and he was fresh and promising.
Again i asked for a better LB, LW and CB instead, again the priorities were overlooked, again the mediocre unproven player failed to become world class, again our investment was wasted, again our sacrifices on the defense and left wing came back to haunt all this long and again we overlook them and commit the same mistakes for some fools hopes...

So you consider them prolific finishers?
These two players, can, at least on theory create chances on their own, Iaq has a good header and can be played as a target man and can be considered a striker, but def not a top class finisher. Amauri scores once/season, he is strong and can dribble, but scoring was never his best attribute.
Toni is the only real finisher we have and only Matri has the characteristics that could be considered as a possible finisher as well.
I would prefer clear roles for our forwards, most of our forwards have dribbling abilities, but fail at finishing.
I believe we need a goal poacher the most, someone who can score more than 20 goals/season, not yet another fancy dribbler.
Therefore i believe that the signings of Iaq, Amauri, Quaq and Vucinic are a mistake.
I m still undecided on Matri, because he is still young and hopefully he will focus on scoring, as long as we have so many dribblers around him...

So how much did we paid in your opinion?
the reported fee is 15.5mil and a price cuts to some of our players.

Again and again you are missing the point, i said that considering the transfers made so far, this mercato sucks.
If things change, i will also change my opinion, i those 2 players come, then i can agree with you, but what if they dont, are you pleased with what we have done, considering those two players were sacrificed to buy the 2-4 uneeded ones?
You claim it is not horrible atm, because you are convinced that we are going to buy 2 more players, you are the one who is basing his judgement on an assumptions, i judge it, as i see it!

I also have the courage to state my opinion, before it actual happens.
For ex, on giacherini, i ve stated that it would be a mistake of epic proportion to priorise a mediocre forward, as a 8th option, over a decent RW starter or a decent CB.
Failing to sign a decent LW, just because we have wasted resources and time at buying a 8th forward, is IMO the worst possible option we have atm.
Thats my opinion before it happens, as it is just a possibility, if this happens in the end, i wont change mind, you cannot call it a negative thought at everything we do, when i say, that imo the worst course of action atm is the transfer of a forward and then it happens exactly like that.

When the transfer window started, i wrote on the wishlist thread, that i hope that this year the extremely stacked up and stable SS and CM positions will not absorve more part of our resources and time and hopefully we will focus our max attention this time on the defense and the LW.
If Marotta was spending the majority of our resources and efforts at signing quality starter defenders and a quality starter defender, i would be pleased.
But what he have done, quite the only thing that i would consider the worse possible course of action, again focused the majority of budget on yet another CM and SS and again have signed a free LB, no CB and no LW (at least so far)
How can you accuse me of being a negativist, when i ve been screaming for 5 consecutive years, that we must for once stop spending on our cash on new CMs and SS each every year and buy a quality starter LW, LB and CB?

Of course i praised Marotta for the acquisition of Lilcht, i really rate him and i believe that his was a step on a right direction.
Finally a quality starter RB, i ve been asking for one, since Thuram moved in the center of our defense.
That was by far the best transfer of the season IMO!!!
Indeed Vidal and maybe Vucinic may be better players than Licht, but we could do without them and i do not consider them a massive upgrade to Melo and Quaq.
Whilst a quality starter RB was a must have, finally a permanent solution to a cronic issue.

I was dissappointed on Ziegler, i do not rate him, and i believe that we should invest more on that position, although Ziehl;ie may be better than Grosso, DC and Traore, we should rather opt for a permanent solution to yet another cronic and critical issue, that has been haunting us since Molinaro.
We have been avoiding to invest into permanent solution over there, for the past 6 years and i do not understand the reason we are keep wasting time and risc with cheap/free/loaned quick fixes.
I would rather prefer to add a Ziegler like forward as depth (giacherini) instead of Vucinic and invest the money we gave for him to a real upgrade on the defense, players like Zapata could come as low as 8mil, so we could buy a starter CB and a starter LB, way much better than Ziegler, for the ammount we gave on Vucinic, or at least one of them instead of Quaq.

I ve been asking for this for 6years, it is not my fault that we have been overlooking it all this time and we keep wasting our budget only on those 2 positions (CM and SS)

I may sound negative because i repeat my self, but it is not because i want to, it is because we are keep repeating the same mistake each and every year.
If this change, of course my stance will change too.
It is unfair to accuse me now, when i ve stated right from 1june, that i would consider the worst possible course of action the lack of investment on the defense and the waste of resources on CMs and SSs again.
I also said that the previous seasons and i also will say that for the next season, will you accuse me again next season, if we again sign a free LB, no LW (or Martinez, Perotti like), gibe another chance to Bonucci/Barzagli instead of at least try a cheap non Italian Lugano/Alex and again invest most of our transfer budget on a new CM and a new SS, while we offload for or almost free Vidal and Vucinic?
Because that exactly what happened this year...
You make things up to sound like you are some genius. You said we had too many fowards. You never said we needed to buy a finisher. Stop trying to make yourself look right all the time.
 

juventino899

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Dec 29, 2009
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Matri isn't playing up to par, the team is playing too compact they need to open up a bit more when attacking and close down when Cesena are on the attack. We need to make better use of the wings but Vucinic isn't looking too good either(aside from a few good moves towards the end of the half) Pepe isn't doing much either.

I say put in Quag for Matri around the 70th min if Matri keeps playing like crap and Esti for Vucinic
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Way too many mistake from Vucinic and Matri. Conte should consider subs them out at HT.
I wouldnt sub out Vuci, despite being wasteful and frustrating with possession and drifting central and deep too much, is still the only one with the individual skill to make something unexpected happen in the final third.
 
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