I wouldn't say that Carvalho and Terry beat Thuram and Canna as simple as that, nor is Zlatan not better than Drogba
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Actually, Carvalho is probably slightly better than Thuram, however IMO he's on par with Cannavaro. Of course Thuram and Terry do not share the same qualities, however Lilian is a better tackler and John is better in the air. All in all, both central defense pairings are about equal. Juventus is better on the ground and Chelsea is better in the air.
Well the thing is, if Chelseas would play in the Serie A they would not go very far. Thats the main difference. Juventus is competing the in the Serie A, and to be honest it is the toughest/most exhausting local championship in europe.
Chelsea has a great squad for the Premier League..
Our two major problems are:
1- We lack CBs
2- We lack a creative midfielder to help Nedved out or to replace him when he can't play.
I think that our forwards are maybe the best in the world. We managed to score ALOT with not so much creative midfielders.
I said it before, at the beginning of the season when all players were fresh and injury free, meaning we played with 100% first line, there are maybe no team in europe that can compete.
We have the best goal keeper in the world: Buffon
World Class CB: Thuram and Cannvaro
BEST LB: Zambrotta
A not bad RB: Zebina
Strong DM: Blasi, Emerson, or Tacchi
One of the OM: Nedved
A great R wing: Camoranesi
4 talented forwards: DP, Zlatan, Zala and Trezeguet.
The thing is, this looks great as it is, once any gets injured and suspended we need to change the whoe formation to deal with his abscence, e.g. Nedved we switched to 4-3-3.
Chelsea has a great squad for the Premier League..
Our two major problems are:
1- We lack CBs
2- We lack a creative midfielder to help Nedved out or to replace him when he can't play.
I think that our forwards are maybe the best in the world. We managed to score ALOT with not so much creative midfielders.
I said it before, at the beginning of the season when all players were fresh and injury free, meaning we played with 100% first line, there are maybe no team in europe that can compete.
We have the best goal keeper in the world: Buffon
World Class CB: Thuram and Cannvaro
BEST LB: Zambrotta
A not bad RB: Zebina
Strong DM: Blasi, Emerson, or Tacchi
One of the OM: Nedved
A great R wing: Camoranesi
4 talented forwards: DP, Zlatan, Zala and Trezeguet.
The thing is, this looks great as it is, once any gets injured and suspended we need to change the whoe formation to deal with his abscence, e.g. Nedved we switched to 4-3-3.
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She's Right Carvalho in not better than Thuram and never will be
Who the hell is Carvalho anyway? two years ago nobody even knew about him. Chelsea's defance in the CL is crap. He didn't play well against decent teams in the CL.
She's Right Carvalho in not better than Thuram and never will be
Who the hell is Carvalho anyway? two years ago nobody even knew about him. Chelsea's defance in the CL is crap. He didn't play well against decent teams in the CL.
All defenders had "bad" games in the matches against Barcelona and Bayern because of the tactics by both managers. Do you think Thuram would do any better against the likes of Ronaldinho and Etoo? Or perhaps the fact we always field a wall of four to protect our defense has no bearing in this discussion? Carvalho doesn't have a wall of four in front of him all the time and Mourinho's tactics in both matches was to attack Barca's weak defense and to catch Bayern off guard. So tell me, why would Thuram do any better against the footwork of Ronaldinho and the crosses from the wings of Bayern Munich?
It is always vexing to read some stuff on here, its always in Epl chelsea can defend but not in Cl
In Cl, they conceded 2 goals against Barcelona in the first leg but that was after going down to 10 men, and i defy any team in this world to keep a clean sheet with the waves of attack from Barcelona at their best, in the second leg , they conceded 2 again, but 1 was a penalty and the other was just genius, you cannot legislate for what Ronaldinho did
Against Bayern, the first goal was a goal keeping error by Cech from a free kick while the second one was a dive from Ballack leading to penalty
In the second leg they might have conceded 3 but its just the first goal you can talk about cos the other 2, chelsea were no more mentally there as they had qualified whilst Liverpool's goal did not even cross the line
Now to Carvalho and Thuram, its difficult to say who is better but Carvalho can sure read the play better than Thuram and is not as weak in the air
The one reason Lippi was opposed to playing Thuram in the centis becos he would always fook up an offside trap as he never seems to anticipate just reacts whilst Carvalho does anticipate very well but i do think he is better at bringing the ball forward and passing the ball.
I just read who is Carvalho anyway when did he start playing football? Is that relevant?
In Cl, they conceded 2 goals against Barcelona in the first leg but that was after going down to 10 men, and i defy any team in this world to keep a clean sheet with the waves of attack from Barcelona at their best, in the second leg , they conceded 2 again, but 1 was a penalty and the other was just genius, you cannot legislate for what Ronaldinho did
Against Bayern, the first goal was a goal keeping error by Cech from a free kick while the second one was a dive from Ballack leading to penalty
In the second leg they might have conceded 3 but its just the first goal you can talk about cos the other 2, chelsea were no more mentally there as they had qualified whilst Liverpool's goal did not even cross the line
Now to Carvalho and Thuram, its difficult to say who is better but Carvalho can sure read the play better than Thuram and is not as weak in the air
The one reason Lippi was opposed to playing Thuram in the centis becos he would always fook up an offside trap as he never seems to anticipate just reacts whilst Carvalho does anticipate very well but i do think he is better at bringing the ball forward and passing the ball.
I just read who is Carvalho anyway when did he start playing football? Is that relevant?
I don't have time to read all of the thread but let me just say that Camoranesi seems to be highly underrated among all of you. He is actually better than Robben, imo.
Cannavaro and Thuram gets a tie with Terry and Carvalho. Lampard is superior to Appiah and Emerson, but Emerson (not being the same type of player, though) is not far behind, all in all.
And Zlatan gets my vote in a clash with Drogba.
We are pretty equal to Chelsea this season. They have been playing better football if you're looking for entertainment, but Juventus is always Juventus.
Forrrrrza.
Cannavaro and Thuram gets a tie with Terry and Carvalho. Lampard is superior to Appiah and Emerson, but Emerson (not being the same type of player, though) is not far behind, all in all.
And Zlatan gets my vote in a clash with Drogba.
We are pretty equal to Chelsea this season. They have been playing better football if you're looking for entertainment, but Juventus is always Juventus.
Forrrrrza.
