Juventus to be sold ?? (6 Viewers)

[Mike-e-y]

This guy may have more money, but to me it is more important to have the stability of knowing that the club will be owned by FIAT forever. This guy is a money machine and will buy and sell what is profittable to him.

Sure he has more money. Big deal. The Agnelli Family is a powerful family in Italy and we are the team of the nation. I would like to keep it that way. Juventus has been a dominant force in football for a long time and although the premiership is slowly ruining the purism of the game, we in Italy must uphold it at all costs.

Forza FIAT

sure, my point being that if this dude bought us it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world.

i dont agree about the club being owned by fiat forever as im more concerned about the club than the actual owners, if the agnelli's were ever to feel that they could not run the club then we must consider juves best interests and in that case it would be a sale (i say this also because one day i like to believe i will own the club )

 

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[Gill_juve]

that bartarelli guy looks alright, if he wants to take over i hope he puts money in. i think the real agnelli dynasty is dead and thee has been little input from them in many years. if they are losing interest then i guess it would be better for the club.

 

[tonykart]

The last thing that needs to happen to the Serie A is it becomming Englandized. If this happens we will see a deterioration in the quality of football and ethics (yes ethics) of our clubs in Italy. The English League is destroying everything that is good about football. Trust me, I have seen similar things happen to sports in the USA. If the sale rumor of Juventus is true, no, it may not be the end of the world, but the long term effects could be horrifying. I want nothing more than to stay a part of the Agnelli Family.

 

[Oggy]

that bartarelli guy looks alright, if he wants to take over i hope he puts money in. i think the real agnelli dynasty is dead and thee has been little input from them in many years. if they are losing interest then i guess it would be better for the club.

You have point here There is no Gianni Agnelli anymore a true Juve fan who actually cared about us. Now Lapo and Elkan, a two lookin junkies, doesn't seem's like a relieable persons and they don't have half of passion like Agnelli's had. It's tradition to be part of Agnelli's but if that is going to hurt the club than it would be better to sell him to someone who can do great things with us. I would like that our club stay with Agnelli's cuz of tradition and everyting, but it won't be end of the world if we sell the club.

 

[oriax]

60% - IFIL (agnelli's company)
7.5% to Libyan Arab Foreign Investment Co.
32.5% to other minor shareholders.

our price today is 1.885 euros per share and there are 120,932,000 total shares meaning:

The value of juventus today = 227,956,820 euros!

IMO this is the price of the shares on the stock exchange. If one company needs funds one of the possible ways to provide it is to offer for sale shares on the stock exchange. By this way the company will receive some kind of bank credit. But the price of the shares on the stock exchange is not equal to the real shares.
The price of Juventus FC was estimated by Forbes magazine to $567mln.
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/03/29/biz_07soccer_all_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=15000
Which is quite cheap price too.

 

[Bjerknes]

You have point here There is no Gianni Agnelli anymore a true Juve fan who actually cared about us. Now Lapo and Elkan, a two lookin junkies, doesn't seem's like a relieable persons and they don't have half of passion like Agnelli's had. It's tradition to be part of Agnelli's but if that is going to hurt the club than it would be better to sell him to someone who can do great things with us. I would like that our club stay with Agnelli's cuz of tradition and everyting, but it won't be end of the world if we sell the club.

I still have hope looking at John Elkann though.

 

[Mike-e-y]

IMO this is the price of the shares on the stock exchange. If one company needs funds one of the possible ways to provide it is to offer for sale shares on the stock exchange. By this way the company will receive some kind of bank credit. But the price of the shares on the stock exchange is not equal to the real shares.
The price of Juventus FC was estimated by Forbes magazine to $567mln.
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/03/29/biz_07soccer_all_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=15000
Which is quite cheap price too.

well if someone wanted to buy juve they would just need to buy all the shares, this would amount to the sum i quoted, so our market value is 227m euors.

selling shares has nothing to do with bank credit, by selling shares the company just offers holdings in the company to the public and the money recieved is either taken back by the original owners or invested back into the company as capital.

the price you quoted is the estimated worth of the comapany:
Forbes estimates based on past transactions, enterprise values (market value plus debt) of publicly traded teams and current stadium deal (unless a new stadium is pending).

this includes profit the company makes and asset value (stadium, training ground, lawnmoers, players etc)

also here man unites value is 1.5billion, glazier paid 800million

 

[Bjerknes]

IMO this is the price of the shares on the stock exchange. If one company needs funds one of the possible ways to provide it is to offer for sale shares on the stock exchange. By this way the company will receive some kind of bank credit. But the price of the shares on the stock exchange is not equal to the real shares.
The price of Juventus FC was estimated by Forbes magazine to $567mln.
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/03/29/biz_07soccer_all_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=15000
Which is quite cheap price too.

It's not that cheap when you look at a club like Liverpool.

 

[Mike-e-y]

I still have hope looking at John Elkann though.

isnt he the current fiat president?

 

[Bjerknes]

isnt he the current fiat president?

He's the vice chairman of Fiat and IFIL, heir to the former.

 

[Mike-e-y]

cheers for the info andy,
it would be a sad sad day if the agnellis sold up so im hoping that it wont happen mainly because im sure gianni and umberto would be turning in their graves if they knew this was going to happen

 

[cuore di leone]

You think?

Kinda like how I think this whole tribalfootball.com story inspired my latest avatar? umpkin:

serious.. if it were true we'd see in at least a few other news outlets...

 

[d.nico]

they were trying to raise money for the renovation of Delle Alpi

going to public is not the only way in raising money. there are a lot of ways to get money to renovate delle alpi. going to public and sell the price for less than $2 is not a good move. i wonder how much their offer in the primary market IPO.

 

[d.nico]

IMO this is the price of the shares on the stock exchange. If one company needs funds one of the possible ways to provide it is to offer for sale shares on the stock exchange. By this way the company will receive some kind of bank credit. But the price of the shares on the stock exchange is not equal to the real shares.
The price of Juventus FC was estimated by Forbes magazine to $567mln.
http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/2007/03/29/biz_07soccer_all_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=15000
Which is quite cheap price too.

getting bank credit and going to public is completely different story. but thank for the info about estimated value from forbes. i think that's a very close market value of Juventus. Mike used a very simple way in valueing juventus stock. 32.5% of outstanding stock has a very different value compairing to around 60% that FIAT has on Juve. FIAT simply has controlling factor in Juventus which is worth much more than outstanding stock available in the market.

 

[oriax]

well if someone wanted to buy juve they would just need to buy all the shares, this would amount to the sum i quoted, so our market value is 227m euors.


selling shares has nothing to do with bank credit, by selling shares the company just offers holdings in the company to the public and the money recieved is either taken back by the original owners or invested back into the company as capital.

I know that getting a banc credit is different thing. This what I was trying to say is that when you buy shares on the stock exchange you do not become an owner but just something like a creditor or investor of the company. And you can any time sell the shares and get your money back.
But maybe I misunderstood your point, sorry.

 

[Boudz]

Why don't we send some of our most prominent members here at the forums to Colombia to fetch some Angel Dust, maybe we can buy out the Elkanns.

 

[fender06]

may be i am a bit naive, but John Elkann looks like a gentleman.I believe he won't betray his grandfather. And FIAT has just let Juventus increased capital and going to sponsor Juventus by one of its company New Holland. You may think that FIAT wants to make Juventus more valuable and then sell it....but i believe FIAT still wants to keep Juventus

 

[Mike-e-y]

I know that getting a banc credit is different thing. This what I was trying to say is that when you buy shares on the stock exchange you do not become an owner but just something like a creditor or investor of the company. And you can any time sell the shares and get your money back.
But maybe I misunderstood your point, sorry.

no probs man just a misunderstanding!

 

[Matteo4Azzurri]

Anyone here have any stock in Juve?

 

[fender06]

i think it's difficult to buy juventus's stock unless u are living in italy~