Juan Cuadrado (65 Viewers)

[Ocelot]

So many oldies in here

I feel like a young 24 yr old !!

I won't believe Ocelot is 18.He's probably in his mid-twenties surely.

Maybe I'm actually a 58 year old woman who started a new life as a 6 year old boy 12 years ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tart-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

 

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[Fr3sh]

Maybe I'm actually a 58 year old woman who started a new life as a 6 year old boy 12 years ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...tart-new-life-as-a-six-year-old-a6769051.html

Change your username to your new name, Stefoonknee.

 

[TheTruth]

One of my mates saw Cuadrado play and went "holy s***t this dude reminds me of neymar".

He is like a poor mans neymar without the finishing, but dude is a legit good footballer so he's too good for the "poor mans" tag. He does actually look a bit lik neymar the way he trips when receivng the ball and is so light on his feet.

 

[italiacalcio10]

Given how much he has been being played, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't pick up the option.

 

[LiquidPLP]

If Allegri is serious about switching to 4312 then it'd make a lot of sense (not taking the option), because Cuadrado would cost about 20m (my guess) and those money could be spent elsewhere (AM). Another thing is Cuadrado doesn't really suit 4312.

 

[edgardavids2608]

Honestly I think our 3-5-2 with cuadrado isnt much differently defensively than last years 4-3-1-2 and offensively out point of attack is just wider instead of running up the middle we attack more down the right.

 

[K.O.]

If Cuadrado isn't effective in this 3-5-2, then he certainly isn't in a 4-3-1-2.

20m seems like an over-payment for him right now.

 

[s4tch]

what about our agreement with chelsky? if they won't let cuadrado go then no surprise he's not playing too much. (it could still be a tactical choice from allegri, too.)

 

[TheTruth]

I have to disagree with many here. I definitely think we should pick up the option for Cuadrado. When he first got here and the team was struggling, he was the lone bright spot. He was sensational against Man City and don't forget he was the one who started this whole run with that winner against Torino deep into stoppages.

He's very skilled and great against teams who sit back. Take a look at the game against Carpi. They scored first, and all the pressure was back on us. Everything went through Cuadrado on that right flank. He doesn't need to have plays ran for him, he can create for himself. That is so valuable for this team especially when the other option is Lichtsteiner who isn't a creative player. Cuadrado is not a good defender, but not a poor one as well.

In terms of fitting into our system, I think it's very realistic that we still will play 3-5-2 often next year, especially after this 10 game run in the league. Like it or not, that is a huge strength of this team to have several formations to go to, and it makes us unpredictable. Allegri knows it and 3-5-2 is here to stay at least the next 2 years, maybe not regurarly, but it will stay. I don't think Cuadrado has been benched because he's been poor, but Lichts been playing well and we have been on a great run. You don't fix something that's not broken. Same with Morata, even though he isn't scoring, he's not a poor player. It's just that Mario and Paulo are doing great right now, so he's benched. It would be a huge mistake to let Cuadrado go in my eyes.

And regarding the price, I would have paid those 20m for him. No question, he's worth it. This is a very skilled player with extreme pace which we don't have in our team, especially on the right flank.

 

[Rollie]

I have to disagree with many here. I definitely think we should pick up the option for Cuadrado. When he first got here and the team was struggling, he was the lone bright spot. He was sensational against Man City and don't forget he was the one who started this whole run with that winner against Torino deep into stoppages.

He's very skilled and great against teams who sit back. Take a look at the game against Carpi. They scored first, and all the pressure was back on us. Everything went through Cuadrado on that right flank. He doesn't need to have plays ran for him, he can create for himself. That is so valuable for this team especially when the other option is Lichtsteiner who isn't a creative player. He's not a good defender, but not a poor one as well.

In terms of fitting into our system, I think it's very realistic that we still will play 3-5-2 often next year, especially after this 10 game run in the league. Like it or not, that is a huge strength of this team to have several formations to go to, and it makes us unpredictable. Allegri knows it and 3-5-2 is here to stay at least the next 2 years, maybe not regurarly, but it will stay. I don't think Cuadrado has been benched because he's been poor, but Lichts been playing well and we have been on a great run. You don't fix something that's not broken. Same with Morata, even though he isn't scoring, he's not a poor player. It's just that Mario and Paulo are doing great right now, so he's benched. It would be a huge mistake to let Cuadrado go in my eyes.

And regarding the price, I would have paid those 20m for him. No question, he's worth it. This is a very skilled player with extreme pace which we don't have in our team, especially on the flanks.

Cuadrado is a good player... with very little end product. Lost of flashy plays 1v1, but often the quick, simple play is in the best interest of the team. (Edit: He doesn't make that many intelligent runs off the ball, he frequently holds onto the ball for too long, he loses possession a fair bit, his service has typically left a fair bit to be desired, his shooting is... poor And I actually like the guy!) It's true, he was a bright spot when our results were terrible, and against lowly Carpi, even Shitty in CL, but 20M is still quite a lot of money.

True, the team will likely still play a fair bit of 3-5-2 next season, but he's not really a wingback. He can do a decent job there, but it's not like he's truly excelled in that role. He's our 4th best wingback, imo. it's unlikely we'll shift much towards 4-3-3, given the forwards at the club, so Cuadrado likely won't be playing RWF. Don't you think saving that money for a specific big ticket purchase might be a better way to go? If management adds 10-20M to that 20M saved by not buying Cuadrado, a classy CAM could be in order (and we'd still have the funds to add another RB to support Steph).

Would be great if Beppe could add another SS, as well, because we certainly need some more creativity up front (it's less of an issue if we get the CAM, and add Pereyra back into the mix, but imo we still need another SS). Also interested to see what the long term plan is for our vice Claudio. I've only seen Lemina in our colours, and can't remember watching Mandragora at all. Not sure how big a role management expects those guys to have in the near future.

Anyway, if Beppe wants in the realm of 4 quality reinforcements this summer (CAM, RB/RWB, SS, CM), that Cuadrado money could probably be put to better use.

 

[JuveJay]

My gripe with Cuadrado is not so much with his talent but the price we would potentially have to pay for someone who for me looks like a luxury player for a club like ours. If it was €15m then fair enough, but when you start talking about €25m or whatever then I'm put off. But if Allegri wants that random option then it's up to the club to decide.

He's like a lot of wingers, quick and talented but not very bright. His defensive capabilities are pretty exceptional considering his natural game, but that is from years of playing different roles in Serie A.

 

[Rollie]

Honestly, at this point even 15M... tough decision, but I think I might pass, just because there are still considerable holes at key positions. We lose Paulo or Claudio, it's big trouble. If Allegri still wants a starting caliber TQ, that's big money. Licht is getting older. I don't think we are in luxury player territory, either, not if we want to have 2 very good options for every position.

Beppe and Paratici have also done an excellent job operating in that 20M+ range, and even better in that 25M+ range.

Dybala and Alex Sandro have been outstanding, would love to see management work some more of that magic.

 

[TheTruth]

Cuadrado is a good player... with very little end product. Lost of flashy plays 1v1, but often the quick, simple play is in the best interest of the team. (Edit: He doesn't make that many intelligent runs off the ball, he frequently holds onto the ball for too long, he loses possession a fair bit, his service has typically left a fair bit to be desired, his shooting is... poor And I actually like the guy!) It's true, he was a bright spot when our results were terrible, and against lowly Carpi, even $#@!ty in CL, but 20M is still quite a lot of money.

True, the team will likely still play a fair bit of 3-5-2 next season, but he's not really a wingback. He can do a decent job there, but it's not like he's truly excelled in that role. He's our 4th best wingback, imo. it's unlikely we'll shift much towards 4-3-3, given the forwards at the club, so Cuadrado likely won't be playing RWF. Don't you think saving that money for a specific big ticket purchase might be a better way to go? If management adds 10-20M to that 20M saved by not buying Cuadrado, a classy CAM could be in order (and we'd still have the funds to add another RB to support Steph).

Would be great if Beppe could add another SS, as well, because we certainly need some more creativity up front (it's less of an issue if we get the CAM, and add Pereyra back into the mix, but imo we still need another SS). Also interested to see what the long term plan is for our vice Claudio. I've only seen Lemina in our colours, and can't remember watching Mandragora at all. Not sure how big a role management expects those guys to have in the near future.

Anyway, if Beppe wants in the realm of 4 quality reinforcements this summer (CAM, RB/RWB, SS, CM), that Cuadrado money could probably be put to better use.

I think 20m in todays market is a fair price. Everybody is overpriced these days, so 20m for a skilled and dare I say proven player in our system is ok with me. Now if we're going to continue with the 3-5-2, the only way I see no use for Cuadrado is if Allegri adapts Pereyra into that role, which is unlikely. I don't see a dip in the teams performance when Cuadrado is playing, I rather see us turning to him all the time when he's on the pitch. And there's a reason for that, he creates.

This club spent a combined 30m on Hernanes and Zaza. The latter has surprised us but it's not like this club has spent all their money wisely. I feel Cuadrado is a safe option and fits in well. We just have to agree to disagree on this one Sir.

 

[Akshen]

Right now I would really prefer to spend that Cuadrado money on buying Berardi and Vrsajlko (if Bruno Peres is not possible). If we would buy them I cant really see why we should buy Juan as there would be no place for him.

 

[Rollie]

I think 20m in todays market is a fair price. Everybody is overpriced these days, so 20m for a skilled and dare I say proven player in our system is ok with me. Now if we're going to continue with the 3-5-2, the only way I see no use for Cuadrado is if Allegri adapts Pereyra into that role, which is unlikely. I don't see a dip in the teams performance when Cuadrado is playing, I rather see us turning to him all the time when he's on the pitch. And there's a reason for that, he creates.

This club spent a combined 30m on Hernanes and Zaza. The latter has surprised us but it's not like this club has spent all their money wisely. I feel Cuadrado is a safe option and fits in well. We just have to agree to disagree on this one Sir.

Totally cool to agree to disagree, brother.

If we were going to be playing a 4-3-3 consistently, I could actually see splashing 20M on Cuadrado. He's a good character, good teammate, obviously has some quality. My best friend has been teaching in Columbia the past few years, so we've talked a lot about John Square, he's a player I can appreciate. As it stands though, with our current tactical setup (3-5-2), Allegri's preferred setup (4-3-1-2), and the existing personnel at the club... well, like I said, it's a bit of a cuadrado peg in a round hole, for me.

Zaza has turned out very nicely so far, and I had a feeling this summer that he would be useful... although 18M seemed a few M too much at the time, and he's definitely outperformed my expectation to date. You're right about Hernanes, that was an ugly purchase, worse than I expected (hadn't watched much of Inter during his time there, mostly just remembering his Lazio days).

For the most part, though, Beppe has done very well -- and, as I said, particularly well in that 20M+ bracket.

Another thing about Cuadrado, though, is that purchase was all opportunity. He did not fit the tactical profile of the player Beppe and Co. were ultimately aiming for (the stated CAM), but he was a quality player who management was familiar with, and was low risk, given the loan option. Beppe and Co. understood we needed more creativity up top (still do), and options were limited, so they went for it. He hasn't played all that much recently, though, and I think that's because Max prefers other options.

Oh, and highly unlikely Pereyra will play in that RWB role, so no worries there. I think he'll ultimately be the backup CAM next season (probably), or used as a CM if we're having injury issues.

 

[Suns]

Really hope we could get the Fiorentina version of Cuadrado soon.

 

[TheTruth]

The same people asking for Marrotta to not buy him are now praising him. We must keep this dude. I fully believe he can adapt to whatever system Allegri is planning, yes 4-3-1-2 included.

 

[Rollie]

The same people asking for Marrotta to not buy him are now praising him. We must keep this dude. I fully believe he can adapt to whatever system Allegri is planning, yes 4-3-1-2 included.

Still agreeing to disagree, here.

He put in a decent shift today, though. Definitely a solid effort.

 

[Suns]

According to stats, Cuadrado was the most successful dribbler in Europe during his team in Fiorentina.
We need that type of player in our squad. Especially against lesser teams who park the bus.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

According to stats, Cuadrado was the most successful dribbler in Europe during his team in Fiorentina.
We need that type of player in our squad. Especially against lesser teams who park the bus.

He does most of his dribbling from deep positions. Not very useful against teams that park the bus