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[Juventino[RUS]]

A bunch of unelected bureaucrats (mostly the European commission) in Brussels running the whole thing while trampling on the democracies of the nation-states (like in Greece, in Italy with Monti).They are attempting to create a federal Europe whatever the social cost, they don't care at all about the situations in Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and other countries. Those guys remind me of the Politburo.

I think it would be best for everyone if they broke the whole thing as soon as possible.

Nah, what countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal can give to EU? what they produce? Olives and tourism, huh?

 

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[Trequartista]

Nah, what countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal can give to EU? what they produce? Olives and tourism, huh?

That's the point, the Mediterranean countries are economically incompatible with Northern Europe. They shouldn't be in a fiscal union together, let alone a political union.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

That's the point, the Mediterranean countries are economically incompatible with Northern Europe. They shouldn't be in a fiscal union together, let alone a political union.

Plus countries who are yet use their own currency don't have any problems with the debt - Switzerland, Poland, Czech
Long-term interest rates of eurozone countries since 1993

 

[Trequartista]

Plus countries whom are yet using their own currency don't have any problems with debt - Switzerland, Poland, Czech
Long-term interest rates of eurozone countries since 1993
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Well, I'm pretty certain that countries like Greece and Italy would still have massive problems with their debts if they were not in the eurozone but because of the euro they cannot devalue their currency to trade their way back to prosperity.

The Italians, Greeks, Spanish and others absolutely need to go back to the Lira, Drachma, Spanish dollar, etc.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Well, I'm pretty certain that countries like Greece and Italy would still have massive problems with their debts if they were not in the eurozone but because of the euro they cannot devalue their currency to trade their way back to prosperity.

The Italians, Greeks, Spanish and others absolutely need to go back to the Lira, Drachma, Spanish dollar, etc.

That's what i meant - keep ur own currency and use euro only to trade with the other countries

 

[Hængebøffer]

Devaluation and Italy would become even more messed up.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[Satchy]

Here is the rest of the list, although I don't know why Bayern Munich is #1 with two times triple A status (without the plus). I guess winning the CL is taken into account.

http://brandirectory.com/league_tables/table/the-brand-finance---football-50-2013

 

[JuveJay]

Plus countries who are yet use their own currency don't have any problems with the debt - Switzerland, Poland, Czech Rep

UK does. Basically the smaller EU nations who stayed with their own currency did better.

 

[Trequartista]

UK does. Basically the smaller EU nations who stayed with their own currency did better.

Thanks to Labour.

 

[JuveJay]

Thanks to Labour.

A mixture of things, but spending your way out of debt always works.

 

[Vlad]

A mixture of things, but spending your way out of debt always works.

That's what Keynes advocated. Government spending as a way to increase output. Here's an interesting video for everyone who wants to learn more. Hudson seems boring at first but makes great points.

 

[JuveJay]

I was of course being sarcastic, short term it can have benefits, but governments shouldn't be thinking along those lines.

This was their remaining bastion of leftism, when really they are now centre.

 

[Vlad]

I was of course being sarcastic, short term it can have benefits, but governments shouldn't be thinking along those lines.

This was their remaining bastion of leftism, when really they are now centre.

Than you're closer to Mishkin with fiscal policy ineffectiveness in a long term. I'm somewhere in between. Government should spend but as long as it's not frequently and the only way of increasing production. Combination of fiscal along with monetary measures ussually worked but as European countries are restricted in that matter they can't do much without others approving it.

 

[Gian]

Nah, what countries like Spain, Greece, Portugal can give to EU? what they produce? Olives and tourism, huh?

Rus

 

[Lion]

That's what Keynes advocated. Government spending as a way to increase output. Here's an interesting video for

That is basic economics. the problem is politics hinder that sort of thing

implementation of such policies takes year, if ever to be considered. plus you got opposition parties voting against said notions just for the sake of being the opposition.

 

[CAPITANO]

"Juvelandia"

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Look at all this progress

 

[Hydde]

someone can give a brief explanation on what each of those points will be for?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

really looking forward to seeing this completed, asides from the shopping centre and the stadium, the area around that is pretty dire and in need of rejuvenation and reconstruction