[ITA] Serie A 2015/2016 (45 Viewers)
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Higuain improved in big games when he hasn't scored in 5 straight Europa League knockouts, and scored 6 goals in his last 17 matches for Napoli last season in the league which was the main reason Napoli dropped out of the CL places. Yep, he's done wonders for Napoli. 
I'd take Morata's CL run last season over Higuain's entire career thus far especially going by Hist logic that CL is all that matters and league titles are worthless.
I'd take Morata's CL run last season over Higuain's entire career thus far especially going by Hist logic that CL is all that matters and league titles are worthless.
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Something is wrong with the stats.
Cuadrado had 31 starts at Viola 2702 minutes and got 11 goals and 5 assists. You gave him 2 less games, 2 more goals and 5 more assists.
Salah played 22 games at Roma 1886 minutes and got 11 goals and 3 assists. Salah is 2 assists down with 816 minutes to go. Thats their Serie A records on Whoscored. Your numbers are off even if you include the Europa league games.What is your source?
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You said and have said Salah is a better player, not a better attacker. Don't change your story now.
And it's pretty $#@!ing obvious Salah should score more goals. One is a wingback predominantly, one is exclusively a wing forward or on rare occasions an SS.
Even in 13/14 Cuadrado's good year, he played about 30% of his matches as a WB. If he had played every single game as an attacker he would have been even more prolific.
And the differences are huge Hist, not negligible
$#@!, you just blindly tell lies... Cuadrado wins almost 3X the free kicks, puts in 10X the crosses, over double the long balls, is dispossessed near half the times, has near half the bad controls, and far more successful dribbles...
Add to this triple the tackles, double the interceptions, and 4x the clearances....
Overall that easily makes up for the difference in goals scored. Not to mention, even at Fiorentina when he played more often as a winger he still offered far more than Salah in overall gameplay.
Your anti-Juve bull$#@! is nauseating and not in the slightest objective. Your bias against players you dislike on our team is absurd.
I'm done arguing $#@! like this with you. You ignore every relevant detail and cherry pick only what suits your argument and then change your position post to post.
And it's pretty $#@!ing obvious Salah should score more goals. One is a wingback predominantly, one is exclusively a wing forward or on rare occasions an SS.
Even in 13/14 Cuadrado's good year, he played about 30% of his matches as a WB. If he had played every single game as an attacker he would have been even more prolific.
And the differences are huge Hist, not negligible
$#@!, you just blindly tell lies... Cuadrado wins almost 3X the free kicks, puts in 10X the crosses, over double the long balls, is dispossessed near half the times, has near half the bad controls, and far more successful dribbles...Add to this triple the tackles, double the interceptions, and 4x the clearances....
Overall that easily makes up for the difference in goals scored. Not to mention, even at Fiorentina when he played more often as a winger he still offered far more than Salah in overall gameplay.
Your anti-Juve bull$#@! is nauseating and not in the slightest objective. Your bias against players you dislike on our team is absurd.
I'm done arguing $#@! like this with you. You ignore every relevant detail and cherry pick only what suits your argument and then change your position post to post.
As a winger Salah has more fire power. Goals and assists per minute display that and nothing has equal or more weight then that unless he is a silent pirlo-like maestro character. I did misread the stats on tackles and the other factors so you are right about that but again you are comparing him as WB while I was comparing wingers (offensive ones). I'd expect Licht to beat Salah in those categories as well and by a margin. I assumed its implied that when we discuss Salah vs Cuadrado we are not discussing who is better at WB the same way if I compared Ronaldo and Cuadrado, these categories become irrelevant.
I do not have an anti-Juve sentiment in anyway. It doesn't take a Juve hater to recognize that Morata is not better than Higuain and that Del Piero was not better than Messi or that Bayern might have a better European record than Juve and is currently a step up for most players. It also doesn't take a Juve hater to think that Salah is better offensively than Cuadrado and has a much higher ceiling given how young he is. You dont have to be Egyptian to think that too. I also certainly don't hate morata or del piero. I do hate Cuadrado though. He is by far my least favorite player at Juve today.
Actual discussion? I pointed out that he was trying to suggest a WB was comparable to a winger. Which is ridiculous. And that comparing exclusively goals and assists, especially between 2 players who play vastly different roles is something he attacks in others.
He outright admits that he hates Cuadrado and tries to suggest he is remaining non-biased.
And Zizinho is right with his comparison because he was counting European games from the seasons in question.
Not to mention Cuadrado did not start 31 matches in Serie A for Viola as an attacker in 13/14, he started 24 of them as an attacker, and in those 24 matches had 11 goals-4 assists, which is identical to what Salah has done in 22 starts as an attacker in Serie A for Roma this year. Including in terms of goals+assists per minute.
It's quite obvious Cuadrado is a far superior all-around player. Every shred of evidence points to that. And the only evidence we have of attacking prowess as an outright winger points to very equivalent output from the 2 players. Hence Cuadrado = Salah in attack, but Cuadrado > Salah in all other aspects of the game.
Only someone who has repeatedly stated how he hates Cuadrado would fail to see this.
He outright admits that he hates Cuadrado and tries to suggest he is remaining non-biased.
And Zizinho is right with his comparison because he was counting European games from the seasons in question.
Not to mention Cuadrado did not start 31 matches in Serie A for Viola as an attacker in 13/14, he started 24 of them as an attacker, and in those 24 matches had 11 goals-4 assists, which is identical to what Salah has done in 22 starts as an attacker in Serie A for Roma this year. Including in terms of goals+assists per minute.
It's quite obvious Cuadrado is a far superior all-around player. Every shred of evidence points to that. And the only evidence we have of attacking prowess as an outright winger points to very equivalent output from the 2 players. Hence Cuadrado = Salah in attack, but Cuadrado > Salah in all other aspects of the game.
Only someone who has repeatedly stated how he hates Cuadrado would fail to see this.
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