Salah is far more effective. If Cuadrado had a pinch of intelligence he could have the same numbers as Salah or better, but his final product is shit.
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transfermarkt has this "special" (=meaningless) table with only the goals scored by italian players:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/tabellespielerland/wettbewerb/IT1
juve's rankings
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/tabellespielerland/wettbewerb/IT1
juve's rankings
Serie A
Cuadrado ---- Salah
3 goals < 11 goals
4 assists > 3 assists
Per game:
1.6 key passes = 1.6 key passes
33 passes > 32 passes
86% passing = 86% passing
2.7 succes dribbles > 1.9 success dribbles
3.4 fks won > 1.4 fks won
1.0 crosses > .1 crosses
1.1 long balls > .5 long balls
1.4 dispossessed < 2.3 dispossessed
1.0 bad controls < 1.7 bad controls
1.5 tackles > .5 tackles
.9 interceptions > .4 interceptions
.4 clearances > .1 clearances
.9 dribbled past = .9 dribbled past
So Cuadrado is better in 11 categories, Salah is better in 1 category, and they are tied in 3.
Hist is the absolute king of ranking other teams' players over ours. And then trying to claim he is being objective when he's obviously not as evidenced by the above.
Cuadrado ---- Salah
3 goals < 11 goals
4 assists > 3 assists
Per game:
1.6 key passes = 1.6 key passes
33 passes > 32 passes
86% passing = 86% passing
2.7 succes dribbles > 1.9 success dribbles
3.4 fks won > 1.4 fks won
1.0 crosses > .1 crosses
1.1 long balls > .5 long balls
1.4 dispossessed < 2.3 dispossessed
1.0 bad controls < 1.7 bad controls
1.5 tackles > .5 tackles
.9 interceptions > .4 interceptions
.4 clearances > .1 clearances
.9 dribbled past = .9 dribbled past
So Cuadrado is better in 11 categories, Salah is better in 1 category, and they are tied in 3.
Hist is the absolute king of ranking other teams' players over ours. And then trying to claim he is being objective when he's obviously not as evidenced by the above.
The above is misleading as
(1) you are giving equal weight to all the categories when goals really trump everything else. Salah comes out on top by a distance in terms of goals and goals or assist per minute and that was while comparing Cuadrado at fiorentina (when he largely played as offensive winger and not a WB otherwise it wouldn't be fair)
(2) there is a massive gap in terms of goal scoring while the difference in most of the categories that Cuadrado comes on top are really negligible.
(3) Tackles, clearances and interceptions are all defensive categories which is beside the point of who is a better offensive winger.
Caudrado is better defensively I always said that. Salah is never a WB. Attacking wise, however there is no doubt who is better. and again one is beginning his career and the other should be peaking now.
@zizinho Not really destroyed at all. I think Higuain has improved in big games while you guys don't. You said Morata is already a better player which has been exposed to be hilariously false. We disagree now about Cuadrado (who I regard as extremely mediocre and far from Juve material). I think Salah is a very good player but not world class. Cuadrado is barely good in my books. If the Egyptian in Salah appears, he should have a couple of good seasons and then completely collapse and grow fat if not quit football.
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To be fair he is playing as WB so its better to compare his winger days with salah
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yeah i am the one who argues del piero was better than messi
(1) you are giving equal weight to all the categories when goals really trump everything else. Salah comes out on top by a distance in terms of goals and goals or assist per minute and that was while comparing Cuadrado at fiorentina (when he largely played as offensive winger and not a WB otherwise it wouldn't be fair)
(2) there is a massive gap in terms of goal scoring while the difference in most of the categories that Cuadrado comes on top are really negligible.
(3) Tackles, clearances and interceptions are all defensive categories which is beside the point of who is a better offensive winger.
Caudrado is better defensively I always said that. Salah is never a WB. Attacking wise, however there is no doubt who is better. and again one is beginning his career and the other should be peaking now.
@zizinho Not really destroyed at all. I think Higuain has improved in big games while you guys don't. You said Morata is already a better player which has been exposed to be hilariously false. We disagree now about Cuadrado (who I regard as extremely mediocre and far from Juve material). I think Salah is a very good player but not world class. Cuadrado is barely good in my books. If the Egyptian in Salah appears, he should have a couple of good seasons and then completely collapse and grow fat if not quit football.
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To be fair he is playing as WB so its better to compare his winger days with salah
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yeah i am the one who argues del piero was better than messi
and this season, cuadrado never plays as a true winger, so why would anyone rate him based on the number of goals he scores? cuadrado mostly plays as a wingback for us, so he should be compared to licht, not to salah.
btw i think both are having a good season, but with allegri being our coach, i believe cuadrado is much more useful for us than salah could have been.
btw i think both are having a good season, but with allegri being our coach, i believe cuadrado is much more useful for us than salah could have been.
You said and have said Salah is a better player, not a better attacker. Don't change your story now.
And it's pretty fucking obvious Salah should score more goals. One is a wingback predominantly, one is exclusively a wing forward or on rare occasions an SS.
Even in 13/14 Cuadrado's good year, he played about 30% of his matches as a WB. If he had played every single game as an attacker he would have been even more prolific.
And the differences are huge Hist, not negligible
fuck, you just blindly tell lies... Cuadrado wins almost 3X the free kicks, puts in 10X the crosses, over double the long balls, is dispossessed near half the times, has near half the bad controls, and far more successful dribbles...
Add to this triple the tackles, double the interceptions, and 4x the clearances....
Overall that easily makes up for the difference in goals scored. Not to mention, even at Fiorentina when he played more often as a winger he still offered far more than Salah in overall gameplay.
Your anti-Juve bullshit is nauseating and not in the slightest objective. Your bias against players you dislike on our team is absurd.
I'm done arguing shit like this with you. You ignore every relevant detail and cherry pick only what suits your argument and then change your position post to post.
And it's pretty fucking obvious Salah should score more goals. One is a wingback predominantly, one is exclusively a wing forward or on rare occasions an SS.
Even in 13/14 Cuadrado's good year, he played about 30% of his matches as a WB. If he had played every single game as an attacker he would have been even more prolific.
And the differences are huge Hist, not negligible
fuck, you just blindly tell lies... Cuadrado wins almost 3X the free kicks, puts in 10X the crosses, over double the long balls, is dispossessed near half the times, has near half the bad controls, and far more successful dribbles...Add to this triple the tackles, double the interceptions, and 4x the clearances....
Overall that easily makes up for the difference in goals scored. Not to mention, even at Fiorentina when he played more often as a winger he still offered far more than Salah in overall gameplay.
Your anti-Juve bullshit is nauseating and not in the slightest objective. Your bias against players you dislike on our team is absurd.
I'm done arguing shit like this with you. You ignore every relevant detail and cherry pick only what suits your argument and then change your position post to post.
@Hist, Cuadrado in 13/14 played 26 games as a RW and scored 12 goals, 6 assists. Played one game as striker, scored a goal. Played one games as SS and had 2 assists. Played one game as AM and had 2 assists.
Salah this season has 11 goals 4 assists in 23 games as a RW, 1 goal in 2 games as AM and 1 assist in 2 games as SS. Also had a game as LW without goals/assists
And Salah is playing for a superior ofensive team compared to that fiorentina. There goes your argument about a "better offensive winger" or whatever you call it
Salah this season has 11 goals 4 assists in 23 games as a RW, 1 goal in 2 games as AM and 1 assist in 2 games as SS. Also had a game as LW without goals/assists
And Salah is playing for a superior ofensive team compared to that fiorentina. There goes your argument about a "better offensive winger" or whatever you call it
Higuain improved in big games when he hasn't scored in 5 straight Europa League knockouts, and scored 6 goals in his last 17 matches for Napoli last season in the league which was the main reason Napoli dropped out of the CL places. Yep, he's done wonders for Napoli. 
I'd take Morata's CL run last season over Higuain's entire career thus far especially going by Hist logic that CL is all that matters and league titles are worthless.
I'd take Morata's CL run last season over Higuain's entire career thus far especially going by Hist logic that CL is all that matters and league titles are worthless.
transfermarkt has this "special" (=meaningless) table with only the goals scored by italian players:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/tabellespielerland/wettbewerb/IT1
juve's rankings
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/tabellespielerland/wettbewerb/IT1
juve's rankings
I mean basically our whole defense (+CDM) is made of Italians, and contribute a lot to the team's performance, but they're obviously not gonna score much.
That's an especially stupid table though
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/primera-division/tabellespielerland/wettbewerb/ES1
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