Praise for what? Defending champion team lagging behind a coach in his first year at a top club and an inferior squad.
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What do you mean Inferior squad? just because of Ibra? If we had Boateng and Cassano and Nesta full-time maybe, but we are the one who had to play 19 years olds not Juve.
And don't forget Buffon. The man's one of the world's top 3 GKs, and would be first easily if he switched teams with Casillas. Ibra hardly passes as the world's third best striker.
Lagging behind? it's one point dude. and Juve had no CL or EL, unlike almost every top Italian team. An no team in Europe has had a CL with 6 games with WC teams, yet.
Did I say Juve got referee help?
And don't forget Buffon. The man's one of the world's top 3 GKs, and would be first easily if he switched teams with Casillas. Ibra hardly passes as the world's third best striker.
Lagging behind? it's one point dude. and Juve had no CL or EL, unlike almost every top Italian team. An no team in Europe has had a CL with 6 games with WC teams, yet.
Did I say Juve got referee help?
It is a fact that Juve had this advantage. You can't deny it. Does it devalue what Juve has achieved? Hell no. But to just say that Milan were the absolute favorites and Juve has made a miracle is unfair to Allegri. Milan has had the most difficult season in Europe this season up to now, Barca is second, and will be first after Chelsea tie.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Show me a team that have played Barca 4 times and Arsenal two times plus domestic competition.
and I have never used injuries as an excuse, because it's Milan's fault. But you use Milan's squad being better as a reason why Juve has outperformed, while it's your team's fault if you have an inferior squad.
I agree that Juve has been great and deserve praise, but so does Milan and Allegri, and just as much, if not more.
It was clear that I said we haven't beaten you officially.
That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Show me a team that have played Barca 4 times and Arsenal two times plus domestic competition.
and I have never used injuries as an excuse, because it's Milan's fault. But you use Milan's squad being better as a reason why Juve has outperformed, while it's your team's fault if you have an inferior squad.
I agree that Juve has been great and deserve praise, but so does Milan and Allegri, and just as much, if not more.
It was clear that I said we haven't beaten you officially.
Allegri created this scenario for himself, and every other day he makes the same mistake, over and over. Lippi said those things because he is a gentleman. Allegri could learn a thing or 12.
I assume this was on Playstation or something.
Yes, remember just why it was Juventus who said something about the refs, and also made no reference to Milan. Take note again, Allegri. They also weren't the first to do it or the last.
Cool story. So essentially you're saying your coach is talking out of his ass, shit happens.
I assume this was on Playstation or something.
Yes, remember just why it was Juventus who said something about the refs, and also made no reference to Milan. Take note again, Allegri. They also weren't the first to do it or the last.
Cool story. So essentially you're saying your coach is talking out of his ass, shit happens.
Most of Milan's injuries are from their training. If there's any team that suffered from that it's Juve for the past seasons. It has been different this season because of the preparation and athletic work Conte has prepared plus other factors (there was an article on it.) So don't consider it 'lucky' or 'unlucky' it all boils down into who's better prepared etc this season.
Ridiculous replies, especially Trequartista.
Juve started it. So both clubs are bitching. And Milan referenced Juve because ironically the biggest ref. mistake of this season in football world benefited Juve when they were facing Milan, because of the paranoia Juve started for refs. You can't let opposition put refs under pressure. Barca and Madrid do that to each other too.
And I think I exactly said that Injuries are not about luck, just like teams' squads.
Surprised and scared are different. One is what has happened, the other is what you like to think has happened to feel better about your team.
And you as Juve fans are surprised too, it's not like you knew it will turn out this good.
Which one happened sooner and thus effected the whole game?
Juve started it. So both clubs are bitching. And Milan referenced Juve because ironically the biggest ref. mistake of this season in football world benefited Juve when they were facing Milan, because of the paranoia Juve started for refs. You can't let opposition put refs under pressure. Barca and Madrid do that to each other too.
And I think I exactly said that Injuries are not about luck, just like teams' squads.
At the beginning of the season, they predicted us to fight for EL spots. Now they say with all the advantage, Juve manage only one point ahead 
. They are scare, man, and it feels great.
. They are scare, man, and it feels great.
And you as Juve fans are surprised too, it's not like you knew it will turn out this good.
Which one happened sooner and thus effected the whole game?
Conte complained about ref not giving penalties, which was pretty obvious since we had been denied clear penalties on several occasions. He was most definitely right to complain. He didn't even mention ffs...
On the Muntari goal, yeah it was a terrible decision but so was Matri's disallowed goal. Yet, I never see Milan fans mention the latter incident, they only mention the former, unsurprisingly. The referees made bad calls on both goals but that wasn't at all because of Conte's pressuring, it was bad officiating by the same linesman on both occasion.
Ever since that game, we've seen constant whining from Allegri and co. and it's absolutely disgusting. Get over it...
On the Muntari goal, yeah it was a terrible decision but so was Matri's disallowed goal. Yet, I never see Milan fans mention the latter incident, they only mention the former, unsurprisingly. The referees made bad calls on both goals but that wasn't at all because of Conte's pressuring, it was bad officiating by the same linesman on both occasion.
Ever since that game, we've seen constant whining from Allegri and co. and it's absolutely disgusting. Get over it...
So when Allegri complains it's disgusting, but Conte not?
And don't forget that it's not like Allegri goes to press room and starts talking about Muntari goal. Press ask him and he answers. He is like that. You keep asking and you keep hearing the same answer.
Juve were much more childish with they're silence. They did it exactly like Milan did with Muntari.
Everyone knows Muntari goal would make things much more different. No way in hell Milan would give up a 2 goal lead. Matri's goal would be an equalizer, which happened anyway.
And don't forget that it's not like Allegri goes to press room and starts talking about Muntari goal. Press ask him and he answers. He is like that. You keep asking and you keep hearing the same answer.
Juve were much more childish with they're silence. They did it exactly like Milan did with Muntari.
Everyone knows Muntari goal would make things much more different. No way in hell Milan would give up a 2 goal lead. Matri's goal would be an equalizer, which happened anyway.
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Even before that.
I was fond of Allegri, once upon a time, for the work he did at Cagliari. Since he arrived at Milan it's as if he's been infected by the scummy atmosphere and he's turned into a dripping, smelly gash himself.
Reading a forum elsewhere, one genius Milan fan commented, "If we lose the scudetto, we'll go after the referees through the media" or something equally stupid (paraphrased). In all his bitterness he was exceedingly quiet about Milan being the biggest beneficiaries of pathetic officiating this season.
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Even before that.
I was fond of Allegri, once upon a time, for the work he did at Cagliari. Since he arrived at Milan it's as if he's been infected by the scummy atmosphere and he's turned into a dripping, smelly gash himself.
Reading a forum elsewhere, one genius Milan fan commented, "If we lose the scudetto, we'll go after the referees through the media" or something equally stupid (paraphrased). In all his bitterness he was exceedingly quiet about Milan being the biggest beneficiaries of pathetic officiating this season.
Conte complained for a few days while Allegri has been consistently whining for weeks. Allegri complaining about the Muntari goal might have been correct for a week(even then, debatable because of Matri's disallowed goal) but it has went way beyond this stage and it is just redundant and disgusting at this point.
Yes, Milan benefited from referees.
You know that if a foul happens in the box it's a PK? You know that if a team has 100 PKs in a row and someone fouls them in the box it's still PK?
I personally don't think of it as who benefited more from refs, since it's a totally stupid pov, I see it as who is trying to blame their shortcomings on refs, and both team have done that.
Refs aren't perfect, so when you bitch about refs you either imply corruption, or bad luck. That's why Galliani was so furious after Muntari goal, because Juve was obviously stating that FIGC is favoring Milan and Milan can't let that type of thinking spread among people.
And @Tranquerista, dude read my posts before replying.
What is Allegri supposed to say when press members ask him about Muntari goal every week?
You know that if a foul happens in the box it's a PK? You know that if a team has 100 PKs in a row and someone fouls them in the box it's still PK?
I personally don't think of it as who benefited more from refs, since it's a totally stupid pov, I see it as who is trying to blame their shortcomings on refs, and both team have done that.
Refs aren't perfect, so when you bitch about refs you either imply corruption, or bad luck. That's why Galliani was so furious after Muntari goal, because Juve was obviously stating that FIGC is favoring Milan and Milan can't let that type of thinking spread among people.
And @Tranquerista, dude read my posts before replying.
What is Allegri supposed to say when press members ask him about Muntari goal every week?
Yes, Milan benefited from referees.
You know that if a foul happens in the box it's a PK? You know that if a team has 100 PKs in a row and someone fouls them in the box it's still PK?
I personally don't think of it as who benefited more from refs, since it's a totally stupid pov, I see it as who is trying to blame their shortcomings on refs, and both team have done that.
Refs aren't perfect, so when you bitch about refs you either imply corruption, or bad luck. That's why Galliani was so furious after Muntari goal, because Juve was obviously stating that FIGC is favoring Milan and Milan can't let that type of thinking spread among people.
And @Tranquerista, dude read my posts before replying.
What is Allegri supposed to say when press members ask him about Muntari goal every week?
You know that if a foul happens in the box it's a PK? You know that if a team has 100 PKs in a row and someone fouls them in the box it's still PK?
I personally don't think of it as who benefited more from refs, since it's a totally stupid pov, I see it as who is trying to blame their shortcomings on refs, and both team have done that.
Refs aren't perfect, so when you bitch about refs you either imply corruption, or bad luck. That's why Galliani was so furious after Muntari goal, because Juve was obviously stating that FIGC is favoring Milan and Milan can't let that type of thinking spread among people.
And @Tranquerista, dude read my posts before replying.
What is Allegri supposed to say when press members ask him about Muntari goal every week?
Oh, and it's quite fascinating that you never mention the several phantom penalties you've received this season (Boateng, Ibrahimovic(Bologna), Pato, etc.)
We've suffered from some bad decisions and we also benefited from other bad referring decisions (Barzagli's handball against Lazio in the first game for instance) as well but Milan and their fans are living inside a bubble in which they are getting all the bad calls and they are never being favored by bad decisions themselves, which is obviously not the case.
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