[ITA] Serie A 2008/2009 (38 Viewers)
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They definitely win. And before somebody jumps and tells me that they're 4th and Juve is 3rd. I say, judge these players based on their performances not on their teams position.
Gilardino and Melo have done very well this year. Jovetic is one for the future, he looks like he could be the real deal. Vargas hasn't done as well as expected, especially judging by his price tag, but he has done well lately when played at left wing.
Knezevic has been a useless signing. Mellberg has been solid at times and average at others, Amauri i'd say was a very good signing, i personally rate him highly. Poulsen is debatable. I personally think he was a decent signing, although a lot of people disagree.
Overall, Fiorentina have made better acquisitions over the summer though.
Gilardino and Melo have done very well this year. Jovetic is one for the future, he looks like he could be the real deal. Vargas hasn't done as well as expected, especially judging by his price tag, but he has done well lately when played at left wing.
Knezevic has been a useless signing. Mellberg has been solid at times and average at others, Amauri i'd say was a very good signing, i personally rate him highly. Poulsen is debatable. I personally think he was a decent signing, although a lot of people disagree.
Overall, Fiorentina have made better acquisitions over the summer though.
Knezevic is on loan to Juve. He could be compared to Zauri or Almiron who are on loan to Fiorentina. I don't think it's fair to include him in the list.
Here is a fair comparison:
Gilardino-Amauri
Melo-Poulsen
Jovetic-Giovinco (we didn't buy him but we did strenghten this year's team with him)
Comotto-Mellberg
They have Vargas left, while we brought Marchisio and De Ceglie to the team.
They took Zauri and Almiron on loan, we did it with Knezevic.
It's close. Only Melo proved to be a better transfer than Poulsen this season.
Fiorentina did spend much more cash than we did though.
Here is a fair comparison:
Gilardino-Amauri
Melo-Poulsen
Jovetic-Giovinco (we didn't buy him but we did strenghten this year's team with him)
Comotto-Mellberg
They have Vargas left, while we brought Marchisio and De Ceglie to the team.
They took Zauri and Almiron on loan, we did it with Knezevic.
It's close. Only Melo proved to be a better transfer than Poulsen this season.
Fiorentina did spend much more cash than we did though.
No but you guys already own Giovinco, De Ceglie and Marchisio. I don't think they should be counted at all, as the board(or whoever is responsible for transfers) did not go through the process of looking for a suitable player and negotiating with another team to acquire that player.
You're right about Knezevic though.
You're right about Knezevic though.
Dunno if we'll see it, but i do think that they will need to sell players.
I checked last season's transfers and i see that they had the biggest minus by far. They paid ~50m for new players (including loans) and they earned only 5m eur from Potenza and Caccia in the summer. They had a minus of 45m euro.
I don't remember when was the last time a serie A team had such minus.
Last summer we bought players for ~38m eur but we also sold players (+loans +co-ownerships) for 25m eur so we had a minus of ~13m eur only.
Even on our serie B comeback when we were forced to splash a lot, we had a minus of ~35m eur. Milan and Inter also can't afford to do what Fiorentina did.
In the winter Fiorentina started selling. They sold Pazzini and Osvaldo. Now they announce that they can't spend money in the summer and i'm pretty sure that they'll be forced to sell more players.
They played with fire last summer. Time will tell if it will cost them.
I checked last season's transfers and i see that they had the biggest minus by far. They paid ~50m for new players (including loans) and they earned only 5m eur from Potenza and Caccia in the summer. They had a minus of 45m euro.
I don't remember when was the last time a serie A team had such minus.
Last summer we bought players for ~38m eur but we also sold players (+loans +co-ownerships) for 25m eur so we had a minus of ~13m eur only.
Even on our serie B comeback when we were forced to splash a lot, we had a minus of ~35m eur. Milan and Inter also can't afford to do what Fiorentina did.
In the winter Fiorentina started selling. They sold Pazzini and Osvaldo. Now they announce that they can't spend money in the summer and i'm pretty sure that they'll be forced to sell more players.
They played with fire last summer. Time will tell if it will cost them.
But it's a bad sign when our choices for mercato were clearly worse than Fiorentina's. In fact, I was envious of them more than anyone else in Serie A this year. Maybe they paid through the nose for it. But I would have rather had half their players for the same price than spending the same amount on more, lesser players.
i just wanna mention that it is much easier to get players that have a good impact,when the team has a much lower quality standard.
what impact would those players have had in juve ?
gila would have found very few space,
vargas would not have found space as left back, because he seems to be suspicious on that part (that is probably the reason he plays lm or left wing for the viola)
comotto is really weaker than mellberg and would not stand a chance against legro
taking off my fan glasses i would say it is perhaps en par with jovetic and giovinco ... did not see enough from jovetic that really did count (assist or goal)
melo, this guy i sadly can not say much about ... i dont know if he had seen any first team appearances when zanetti and sissoko was fit.
fact is fiorentinas quality standards was way lower than ours, so it was easier to find someone that would improve that
my source says 30.6m € minus, but your point stands ... they made a big minus !
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/verein/430/ac-florenz/transfers/uebersicht.html
what impact would those players have had in juve ?
gila would have found very few space,
vargas would not have found space as left back, because he seems to be suspicious on that part (that is probably the reason he plays lm or left wing for the viola)
comotto is really weaker than mellberg and would not stand a chance against legro
taking off my fan glasses i would say it is perhaps en par with jovetic and giovinco ... did not see enough from jovetic that really did count (assist or goal)
melo, this guy i sadly can not say much about ... i dont know if he had seen any first team appearances when zanetti and sissoko was fit.
fact is fiorentinas quality standards was way lower than ours, so it was easier to find someone that would improve that
my source says 30.6m € minus, but your point stands ... they made a big minus !
http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/verein/430/ac-florenz/transfers/uebersicht.html
aye but christian vieri top trumps him in sheer volume of serie a clubs
of course it will, just don't tell anyone, otherwise there will be nothing to moan about
to a businessman this is perfect sense, to a football fan it is unambitious and weak of our board
see this is some of the problem, most of the posters here believe we already overpay for players, if we were to follow fiorentina's lead of throwing money at clubs until they say when we will be fucked in 2 years
of course it will, just don't tell anyone, otherwise there will be nothing to moan about
to a businessman this is perfect sense, to a football fan it is unambitious and weak of our board
see this is some of the problem, most of the posters here believe we already overpay for players, if we were to follow fiorentina's lead of throwing money at clubs until they say when we will be fucked in 2 years
Regarding the 5 year plan, it is already compromised, unless we see some spectacular changes/spending this and the next year.
We have failed to increase the percentage of quality starters in our team and we have wasted too much time and money on incompetent players.
We could have added 2-5 more starters by now, considering the money and time we spent and already field a competitive team and easily replace our champions in the future.
But we can now barely replace our retiring champions by the end of the 5 years...
and thats IF and only IF, we start becoming efficient and make a complete U turn into our transfer policy...
Just a good year of signings cannot perform miracles and wont e enough, because, we are way behind schedule...
We have failed to increase the percentage of quality starters in our team and we have wasted too much time and money on incompetent players.
We could have added 2-5 more starters by now, considering the money and time we spent and already field a competitive team and easily replace our champions in the future.
But we can now barely replace our retiring champions by the end of the 5 years...
and thats IF and only IF, we start becoming efficient and make a complete U turn into our transfer policy...
Just a good year of signings cannot perform miracles and wont e enough, because, we are way behind schedule...
just reading mourinho's pre-match comments on C4 and i think we could possibly take a page out of his books this summer...
“I agree we should not spend too much and the best way to avoid that is to think back on how money has been wasted before. If I take three youngsters into the first team and remove three who earn £9m, with that money we can buy a world class star.”
“I agree we should not spend too much and the best way to avoid that is to think back on how money has been wasted before. If I take three youngsters into the first team and remove three who earn £9m, with that money we can buy a world class star.”
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