Israeli-Palestinian conflict (90 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

This is exactly why we have different perspectives to all this, because of experiences through life as I mentioned in my previous posts.

I do have a few muslim friends myself and doesn't have any problem with someone having a different faith as long as they are willing to integrate and do their best not to be a nuisance to their new country. Sadly there's too many here who don't have the willingness or skill set to do so. I never expect someone to talk a new language fluently or throw their culture away completely, nothing like that. Just to do their best and not acting like entitled brats.

Seeing how those in the video are acting I can understand why some might find dislike for them, but again you see none of it here. Hence I can't fully relate to it, just as other parts of the world face no Islamic troubles.

If we had a large Jewish population here in Denmark that acted like those in the video then I would most certainly dislike them as much.

I guess much of it has to do with WW2 and most "true" Jews were killed or dispelled/went to other parts of the World and Israel. Hence the former large Jewish presence in Europe is almost gone.

The problem you described about integration, that is the same with any large immigrant group throughout history. You don't think Italians were the same in America in the late 1800s/early 1900s? With every successive generation, there is more and more assimilation. Some religious sects of Jews will never integrate though, not even with each other.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

And the people in that video likely aren't even religious, just retarded. This goes so much deeper than "Israeli Jew good, Muslim Palestinian bad."

 

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[ALC]

NY has some of the worst Jewish in the world. They have the old school cunts there, with the weird hair and clothes that avoid paying taxes and leech off of the city and suck baby dicks giving them herpes. They’re the ones that need to be wiped off.

 

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[Ronn]

Fair enough, of course they shouldn't do that. That's as disgusting as those who are screaming to kill the jews.

But my point still stands, you see nothing like that here. It probably has to do with the Jewish population being so small compared to the muslim one.

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How exactly so?

Where do you live? Croatia?

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Where do you live? Croatia?

Denmark I think.

 

[BayernFan]

Where do you live? Croatia?

Denmark.

 

[Ronn]

Denmark.

Do you have a significant Jewish population there? I see there are 300,000 Muslims and 6400 Jews.
There are more Jews than Muslims in the US btw.

 

[BayernFan]

Do you have a significant Jewish population there? I see there are 300,000 Muslims and 6400 Jews.
There are more Jews than Muslims in the US btw.

You never see or feel any Jewish presence here. Absolutely nothing.

 

[Ronn]

You never see or feel any Jewish presence here. Absolutely nothing.

Isn’t that the reason why you don’t see them going around celebrating killing Muslims?

 

[BayernFan]

Isn’t that the reason why you don’t see them going around celebrating killing Muslims?

Read my previous posts where I mention that.

 

[Boksic]

Isn’t that the reason why you don’t see them going around celebrating killing Muslims?

We have a fairly large Jewish community in Scotland and I have never seen them celebrate about killing people.

 

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[Post Ironic]

We have a fairly large Jewish community in Scotland and I have never seen them celebrate about killing people.

Same thing here in Canada. While I’m certain that AFL is right that there are Orthodox and Fundamentalist Jews that hold some very poisonous views, I’ve just never seen them out rallying and protesting in the streets celebrating a massacre of women and children.

 

[U Picciriddu]

I read a report this morning that after Friday prayers protests were expected, maybe this is more or less what we’re seeing here.

 

[BayernFan]

Same thing here in Canada. While I’m certain that AFL is right that there are Orthodox and Fundamentalist Jews that hold some very poisonous views, I’ve just never seen them out rallying and protesting in the streets celebrating a massacre of women and children.

Exactly.

I think it's a thing that mostly happens in America, it makes sense as they have the largest Jewish population in the world outside of Israel.

 

[Hist]

I don't know about where you live, but I have never seen it here. On the other hands you'll see plenty of muslims/palestinians not behaving as the best kind of people in their new country. This doesn't really help them in their cause.

Guess we are all biased from our own experiences irl. Here in Europe we have too many from the MENA countries who has never been willing to fit into their new countries, instead they'll gladly commit lots of crime and sometimes gang related murder, unemployment and live in what we call "parallelsamfund".

Some have stayed in a country for 30 years or more, but barely speak a single word of the language. And this has nothing to do with racism or Islamophobia, I would have said the exact same if this was the case for Asians, Latinos etc and not integrating into their new society.

If you have no desire or zero skill set to integrate then you have absolutely no business being here. And this is exactly why many European people sympathies with the Israelies as we've seen first hand how many Arabs/muslims are behaving here. We see Israel as the only "normal" country in that part of the world.

Should that be the case? Probably not, but we are all biased in some way or another.

You're not wrong. Israelis look more western and have a more western way of life and values than Palestinians or Arabs in general. Afterall a lot of the migration to Palestine came from Eastern Europe escaping the Russian Empire's pogroms and later from Western Europe in WW2. It is totally natural to find it easier to relate to people who are more similar to you. This cuts both ways i.e makes it easier for Arabs and other ethnicities to relate psychologically to the Palestinian experience at an emotional level. This is also why you probably relate less to the more religious orthodox jewish groups compared to the secular liberal ones at the rave.

Another reason is Europeans overcompensating for implicit historical guilt for the holocaust. It validated the zionist argument that Europeans will always see Jews as Jews first, German/Italian/Polish/French second when the going gets rough. And that their fellow citizens will give them up and scapegoat them if the situation is dire. Eventually defeating the nazis (for survival more than for what they did to jewish europeans) did not wash away that guilt.

Another factor is that most Western countries have seen Jihadist attacks in their own cities. That image of bearded brown man yelling allahu akbar vs civilian concert goer has happened too many times just not within the context of an occupation. So again naturally peoples first reaction (especially if they dont know much about the conflict) is to treat it the same as if it was an attack in London or Paris or NY.


These are someways that a western audience's instinctive inclination might be to see Israelis and not see Palestinians, without even realizing that they're succumbing to these psychological forces. As humans our moral compass strives for a simple "this side is good this side is bad" clear judgment which is not really possible in such a context-heavy conflict.

 

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Same thing here in Canada. While I’m certain that AFL is right that there are Orthodox and Fundamentalist Jews that hold some very poisonous views, I’ve just never seen them out rallying and protesting in the streets celebrating a massacre of women and children.

I bet you have “black friends” too. Stop acting like y’all down with the dreidel. Please friend, next thing you’re gonna start quoting Lil Dickie and telling me how misugi you are for some hot shiksa.

 

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