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Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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ReBeL

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    Im from Nablus. And no there's no devision in the meaning that there's a two groups of Palestinians where one thinks they're better than the others or more Arab. It's just political differences that you might be talking about, the ones that make a government in Gaza and one in the West bank. As that's due to some differences between the ruling Hamas in Gaza and Fateh in West Bank, as Fateh believes resistant is no longer a profitable way to get the Palestinian rights and believe negotiations and American pressure on the israelis would give us at least the west bank while Hamas believes we won't get shit by negotiating and many other groups agree with that approach.

    You gotta know though that there's about a millions Palestinians in the 1948 lands in Palestine(outside West bank and Gaza to what is now called "israel") and who hold israeli citizenship but are hanging to their Palestinian and Arab identities just like those in the Arab world and maybe even more.

    None of the Palestinian parties both inside the 1948 lands or outside it are calling or have ever called for a separated regime or country, they're all calling for one Palestinian country again while others are calling for that and an Israeli one living together on the same soil.
    Good briefing.

    Anyway, just for you, Alen to imagine how this affected Palestinian people, here is a recent statistic for the Palestinians numbers all around the world:

    In Jordan: At least 3,000,000
    In the West Bank: 2,300,000
    In Gaza: 1,400,000
    Inside the so called Israel: 1,300,000
    In Syria: 570,000
    In Chile: 500,000
    In Lebanon: 400,000
    In Saudi Arabia: 250,000
    In Egypt: 70,000
    In USA: 70,000
    In Honduras: 50,000
    In Brazil: 50,000
    In Kuwait: 50,000

    You can imagine the differences in the life of each group of those above.
     

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    JBF

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    I respect your opinion.

    If you want to know about what Arafat did to become a traitor, try to read what Abu Ali Iyad said about him before being killed by the Jordanian army in 1971. Try to read what Naji Al-Ali said before being killed in London in 1987. Try to read what Abu Musa has been saying about him since ages. Try to read Ahmad Djibril's opinion about him. Try to see how much his widow stole from our people's money.
    Trust me I read it all :D

    Again, Im not a big fan of his and you should know that by now but again I don't agree on bashing him the way many these days do outside Palestine. He's a Palestinian figure who had his own approach to the cause and certainly contributed a lot to it. I agree, he had many fuck ups but think of it this way, if it wasn't for him we would have never had a leader and would have probably had many street civil wars in the 60s and 70s that would have eliminated any chance of us even existing the way we do now.


    I know how much you hate Fateh these days Abed but you gotta just take a look at Fateh when Abu Ammar was there at the helm and when he disappeared. FFS, we're bargaining with a direct negotiating card for having our rights back these days! :lol:
     
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    ReBeL

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    Trust me I read it all :D

    Again, Im not a big fan of his and you should know that by now but again I don't agree on bashing him the way many these days do outside Palestine. He's a Palestinian figure who had his own approach to the cause and certainly contributed a lot to it. I agree, he had many fuck ups but think of it this way, if it wasn't for him we would have never had a leader and would have probably had many street civil wars in the 60s and 70s that would have eliminated any chance of us even existing the way we do now.


    I know how much you hate Fateh these days Abed but you gotta just take a look at Fateh when Abu Ammar was there at the helm and when he disappeared. FFS, we're bargaining with a direct negotiating card for having our rights back these days! :lol:
    Well, Ahmad, many points:

    1- He was a dictator that did not hear anybody's opinion except his own.
    2- His approach was so stupid and unjustified. If he got bored of fighting occupation, he should have stepped down to have new blood who are still in the mood to keep fighting for the rights of the people.
    3- "If it wasn't for him we would have never had a leader". Sorry? He was not the first one to lead the Palestinians. He was just the first one to impose his opinion on everybody else.
    4- I hate Fateh these days?? I always thought these Fateh people are a bunch of mercenaries who use the grants and the money of Palestinian people to built their own villas and to live in prosperity with their families, regardless what happens to the rest of the people. They never changed, and they will not.
    5- "we're bargaining with a direct negotiating card". Do you think that is an achievement? Unfortunately, we reached the stage where negotiations became a goal by itself, not a tool to gain our rights. That is what Fateh brought to us.

    Sorry, Ahmad, but I can't understand those who praise Arafat as if he did something special while in fact he destroyed the whole case.
     

    JBF

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    1- He was a dictator that did not hear anybody's opinion except his own.
    No doubt about that. And I never claimed he wasn't.

    2- His approach was so stupid and unjustified. If he got bored of fighting occupation, he should have stepped down to have new blood who are still in the mood to keep fighting for the rights of the people.
    And by new blood you mean Abbas? :lol:

    I can't think of anyone who made himself available for that postition when Arafat was there, and I don't think anyone would have tried from Fateh knowing what Arafat represents.

    Oh and he never got tired of fighting, he would have died being trapped in his office for 2-3 years if it wasn't for shipping him to France to get a treatment which didn't help since he was poisoned.

    3- "If it wasn't for him we would have never had a leader". Sorry? He was not the first one to lead the Palestinians. He was just the first one to impose his opinion on everybody else.
    Dude, there were no such thing as Palestine before he made the famous U.N speach that till this day brings me to tears everytime I hear it. Besides, I won't call it a bad thing that he imposed his say on everyone else unless you'd rather have 4-5 groups fighting their own way to a bloodshed which never happened when Arafat was at the helm yet happened just after his death.

    Bash the guy all you want, but at least give him credit for that Abed.

    4- I hate Fateh these days?? I always thought these Fateh people are a bunch of mercenaries who use the grants and the money of Palestinian people to built their own villas and to live in prosperity with their families, regardless what happens to the rest of the people. They never changed, and they will not.
    And you think Fateh have never done us any good to the cause? Really Abed, really?

    5- "we're bargaining with a direct negotiating card". Do you think that is an achievement? Unfortunately, we reached the stage where negotiations became a goal by itself, not a tool to gain our rights. That is what Fateh brought to us.
    I was laughing at that Abed, ofcourse Im not thinking of it as an achievement. I was merely trying to show you the difference of what things were in Arafat's era and in this one we're living in right now. But clearly you hate Fateh too much to admit they or their main figure did any good.

    Sorry, Ahmad, but I can't understand those who praise Arafat as if he did something special while in fact he destroyed the whole case.
    I say this again, he had his fuckups no doubt about that. Yet to deny that he did any good for the cause is really harsh, you know better.
     
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    ReBeL

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    And by new blood you mean Abbas? :lol:

    I can't think of anyone who made himself available for that postition when Arafat was there, and I don't think anyone would have tried from Fateh knowing what Arafat represents.
    You know, Ahmad, that Palestinian people are more than these cowards called Fateh now. We never lacked a leader, but Arafat never wanted anybody to take his position as he was always the stinky stupid corrupt guy who enjoyed being considered as GOD by some ignorant Palestinians.

    Oh and he never got tired of fighting, he would have died being trapped in his office for 2-3 years if it wasn't for shipping him to France to get a treatment which didn't help since he was poisoned.
    What is the other choice he had?

    To quit and to go to Switzerland to live the last days of his life? If he did so, how will he enjoy riding our backs?

    Dude, there were no such thing as Palestine before he made the famous U.N speach that till this day brings me to tears everytime I hear it.
    This does not even deserve a reply, Ahmad. So, do you hint that Palestine was something that was made out of nothing by Arafat? Sorry? What about all the leaders in all the previous decades?

    What about:

    Abdelqader AlHusseini
    Saeed Alaas
    Abdelraheem Haj Muhammad
    Al-Durra
    Fawzi Qaweqji
    Al-Shuqairi
    Yahya Hammoudeh

    Those people deserve your tears because their acts were stolen by Arafat and his gang later...

    Besides, I won't call it a bad thing that he imposed his say on everyone else unless you'd rather have 4-5 groups fighting their own way to a bloodshed which never happened when Arafat was at the helm yet happened just after his death.
    You know what happened in Camps War in the late 80s in Lebanon?

    You know about the massacre in Palestine Mosque in Gaza in the late 90s?

    These were in his era. Weren't they?

    You can not defend his totalitarian way of ruling people as if nobody else can be good to the people. Democracy is good even if Arafat always fought it.


    Bash the guy all you want, but at least give him credit for that Abed.
    For what?

    And you think Fateh have never done us any good to the cause? Really Abed, really?


    I was laughing at that Abed, ofcourse Im not thinking of it as an achievement. I was merely trying to show you the difference of what things were in Arafat's era and in this one we're living in right now. But clearly you hate Fateh too much to admit they or their main figure did any good.


    I say this again, he had his fuckups no doubt about that. Yet to deny that he did any good for the cause is really harsh, you know better.
    Fateh had many good guys, but they were killed by both Arafat and Israelis in order to make sure not to have any good guy leading the Palestinian people. Of those great leaders, we had:

    Abu Ali Iyad: Assassinated in 1971
    ِAbu Yousef Najjar: Assassinated in 1973
    Kamal Adwan: Assassinated in 1973
    Saad Sayel: Assassinated in 1982
    Abu Jehad: Assasinated in 1988
    Abu Iyad: Assassinated in 1991
    Atef Bsaiso: Assassinated in 1992

    ِand many others.

    Unfortunately, we had a corrupt leader leading our struggle for more than 30 years, and that made our mission of going back to our lands very hard as he killed any hope for us to go back. Until we get rid of his corrupt assistants who are leading Fateh now, nothing will be achieved IMO.
     
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    ReBeL

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    By the way, did you see Part two of Aljazeera program about Naji Al-Ali??

    Did you see how Arafat and Mossad killed him?
     
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    ReBeL

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    Hamas Probe Leads to American Firms

    American investigators, cooperating in a probe of the January assassination of a top Palestinian leader in Dubai, have identified a handful of U.S.-based companies believed to have been used to transfer money to suspects in the case, a finding that brings international authorities closer to identifying who funded the operation.

    The findings show American authorities playing a bigger role in the investigation than previously revealed. The case is especially delicate for the U.S., because Dubai police have said their prime suspect in the case is Mossad, the intelligence service of Israel, a key U.S. ally.

    International investigators see money transfers made through the U.S. companies as key clues in a globe-spanning manhunt aimed at identifying more than two dozen suspects in the case, according to officials familiar with the matter.

    The U.S. companies identified by investigators include Internet-based businesses that match freelance job-seekers with employers and process payments between the two sides. Authorities have identified financial transfers from several of these intermediary businesses into prepaid, cash-card accounts used by suspects in the Dubai killing, according to international investigators.

    U.S. authorities say they don't believe the intermediary companies had any way of knowing the money would be used in the plot, according to a U.S. official familiar with the investigation.

    Instead, U.S. investigators believe, suspects might have posed as freelancers in order to get money in a way that obscured their funding source, and used the money for operational expenses, such as buying plane tickets.

    The next step in the investigation would be to determine who the employers were in the transactions.

    Representatives of several companies identified in the probe said they hadn't been contacted by U.S. authorities and weren't aware of any investigation.

    White House officials have declined to comment on how extensively the U.S. has been cooperating on the case with Dubai and the United Arab Emirates—a moderate, Western-leaning powerhouse in the Mideast.

    Earlier this year, Dubai police identified 13 U.S.-issued, cash-card accounts they said suspects used in the operation. All the suspects linked to the cards used fraudulent passports, according to Dubai police. That means their names and details wouldn't have been on any international warning lists and wouldn't have otherwise raised alarm bells for the companies.

    Dubai has accused Israel's Mossad intelligence agency in the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a founding member of Hamas' military wing, which has carried out scores of attacks against Israel. Israeli officials say there is no evidence implicating the Jewish state.

    After Dubai released details of dozens of forged or fraudulently obtained passports linked to the case, the U.K., Ireland and Australia expelled Israeli diplomats after accusing Israel of forging passports used by suspects.

    Washington has for years sent officials to the U.A.E. to ask authorities there to investigate and shut down suspected terror-financing networks in the country. The Dubai investigation is the highest-profile case in which the roles appear reversed: The U.A.E. is now seeking help from Washington in following an alleged criminal money trail that leads back to the U.S.

    The White House, however, has scrambled recently to patch up relations with Israel after months of strained ties over stalled Mideast peace efforts and other policy clashes. The White House declined to comment on the sensitivities of cooperating in the Dubai case.

    The Mabhouh case has also put the prepaid cash card sector under the spotlight. Regulators and law-enforcement officials say they have worried in recent years such cards may be vulnerable to misuse for money-laundering or other criminal activity—the type of abuse that has worried U.S. counterterrorism officials, international investigators said.

    The cards are used like debit cards, but are charged up ahead of time with cash electronically—for instance by an employer. They have become increasingly popular among companies that pay workers or other payees in far-flung locales, where cutting checks or wiring in money isn't convenient.

    Some of the MasterCard Inc.-branded cards used by Dubai suspects were distributed by Payoneer Inc., a New York-based online payment company, and issued by Metabank, owned by Meta Financial Group Inc., Storm Lake, Iowa, said Dubai authorities. Dubai said suspects also used four other cards issued by European finance companies.

    In a statement, Meta said the company had been "informed by authorities that the suspects apparently used stolen identities, including fake passports, to obtain employment/compensation from U.S. companies and acquire bank cards issued by Meta and other banks."

    The cards in question were "loaded" by companies for "payroll, disbursements, and other compensation," Meta said. The bank said it launched its own review of the matter, and has found so far that it had followed all bank and regulatory requirements.

    Meta and Payoneer, in public statements, have confirmed they have been in contact with U.S. authorities in the matter.

    Investigators say it isn't clear how the Dubai suspects would have obtained their cards and used them. Several of the companies identified as paying into the accounts act as a sort of matchmaker and financial middleman between freelancers and employers or buyers of goods, such as photographs.

    For example, two companies identified by U.S. investigators, Elance Inc. and Rent a Coder, which changed its name earlier this year to vWorker.com, offer online matchmaking services between freelance computer programmers and employers. Both are well-known firms in the computer-programming outsourcing arena, and they have both worked with Payoneer to provide prepaid cash cards as a payment option.

    Ian Ippolito, the chief executive of Tampa, Fla.-based vWorker.com, said the company hasn't been contacted by authorities, and he is unaware of any probe. When told the names of two suspects whose cards had been linked to transfers from his company by investigators, he said they didn't show up in the company's records.

    It isn't clear how U.S. investigators traced the suspected money transfers, or why suspects whom investigators traced to vWorker didn't show up in company records.

    A spokeswoman for Elance, Mountain View, Calif., said the company had no knowledge of the matter.

    Representatives at several other companies identified by U.S. investigators said their firms hadn't been contacted by U.S. authorities either, and they weren't aware of any probe related to the cards.

    U.S. investigators believe the companies weren't aware of how the money flowing through them was used.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703314904575399091233047622.html
     

    Gamaro

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    Aug 6, 2007
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    JBF n ReBel,Please brothers u both are palestinian n we all are arabs and muslims,so we should stand 2gether to recover our land.

    Please brothers this is a thread about Israeli-Palestinian conflict,so we should not forget our main aim,we should not fight for hamas or fat7,fight in the name of palestine nothing else.

    Arafat was neither angel nor satan,he has done good things (we can't deny) but he also indeed sometimes dameged.

    Now,plz brothers no fat7 no 7amas,ONLY PALESTINE,and this is to u to remaind u that u both belong to palestine before anything:

     
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    ReBeL

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    JBF n ReBel,Please brothers u both are palestinian n we all are arabs and muslims,so we should stand 2gether to recover our land.

    Please brothers this is a thread about Israeli-Palestinian conflict,so we should not forget our main aim,we should not fight for hamas or fat7,fight in the name of palestine nothing else.

    Arafat was neither angel nor satan,he has done good things (we can't deny) but he also indeed sometimes dameged.

    Now,plz brothers no fat7 no 7amas,ONLY PALESTINE,and this is to u to remaind u that u both belong to palestine before anything:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PCdzDWeQ4A
    Don't worry, mate:tup:

    We are not fighting. That was merely a discussion.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Five rockets fired towards Israeli resort of Eilat

    JERUSALEM (AFP) - – At least five rockets fell in and around the southern Israeli resort of Eilat at about 7:45 am (0445 GMT) on Monday but there were no immediate reports of casualties or damage, Israel police said.

    At about the same time, a Grad-type rocket slammed into the Jordanian port of Aqaba, less than 10 kilometres (six miles) from Eilat, injuring four people, one of them seriously, Jordan's interior minister said.

    "About four or five explosions were heard in and around Eilat -- it seems they were caused by rockets," police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld told AFP.

    "We are still searching to find the rockets," he said, saying that no one had been hurt in the attack.

    Eilat police chief Moshe Cohen said one or two of the rockets had apparently landed in Jordan while another two landed in the sea.

    "Apparently one or two landed in Jordanian territory, and another two landed in the water," he said, without saying where the fifth had landed.

    A police investigation was under way but initial reports suggested the rockets had been fired from the south, Cohen said.

    In Amman, Jordan's Interior Minister Nayef Qadai told AFP that two cars were wrecked in the rocket blast, which occurred near a hotel.

    "A Grad rocket fell in the street in Aqaba, near to the Intercontinental hotel, destroying two cars and injuring four people, one of them seriously," Qadai said.

    Information Minister Ali Ayed said in a radio interview the blast occurred at around 7:45 am (0445 GMT).

    Eilat, a coastal resort located at Israel's southernmost point, lies several kilometres west of the border with Jordan, and a similar distance from the border with the Egyptian Sinai.

    The Israeli military said it was investigating the source of the fire and was in constant contact with the authorities in Egypt and Jordan.

    "The IDF (Israel Defence Forces) and Israel police are searching the area and examining the source of the firing," a spokeswoman said. "The IDF maintains ongoing contacts with the Jordanian and the Egyptian authorities."

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/afp/20100802/twl-mideast-conflict-eilat-blast-575b600.html
     
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    ReBeL

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    From Getty Images:

    Israeli border policemen arrest Palestinian Fadel Jaber, as his younger son (R) cries during scuffles in the West Bank city of Hebron on August 2, 2010 after Israeli authorities destroyed the irrigation system in the Jaber family's land.



     
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    ReBeL

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    Breaking news:

    Clashes just erupted between Israeli army and Lebanese army in South Lebanon. There are injuries.
     

    Salvo

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    The Israeli Parliament (Knesset) approves the deportation of 400 children and their families whom Tel Aviv considers a "tangible threat" to Israel, Press TV reported.

    Those affected by the new measure fail to meet the regime's criteria of speaking Hebrew and having lived in Israel for more than five years, AFP reported on Sunday.

    They have been given only 21 days to return to their homelands.

    The motion passed 13 to 10 after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu threatened to table an earlier proposal, which he said "is much more harsh and dramatic," Ynetnews reported.

    The Israeli Children organization warned that the decision targets kindergarten kids and other children, who "will fail to meet impossible bureaucratic demands."

    The premier, however, said "illegal" immigration was a "tangible threat to the Jewish and democratic character" of Israel, the agency added.
    ......
     
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    ReBeL

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    Al-Manar TV: A Lebanese police office is on fire now as Israeli helicopters are bombing it.
     

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