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Fingal County Council passes motion condemning Veoila operations in Palestine / South Dublin motion deferred
On Monday 12th July, Fingal County Council passed a motion - tabled by Labour Party councillor Patrick Nulty - that condemned Veolia's illegal operations in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
The motion passed is as follows:
That this Council, in light of the ongoing suffering of the Palestinian people, recognises:
(1) that Veolia is a leading partner in the consortium contracted to build a light railway system linking Israel to illegal settlements in occupied East Jerusalem,
(2) that the Irish government and the U.N does not recognise Israel’s annexation and occupation of East Jerusalem and have repeatedly stated their views that the Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank contravene international law and
(3) that Veolia’s involvement in the project is in contravention of the UN’s stated demand that Israeli settlement activities and occupation should not be supported.
Meanwhile, also on Monday a similar motion before South Dublin County Council, tabled by Cllr. Dermot Looney of the Labour Party, was deferred until the next meeting in September.
What this company all about lads?
On Monday 12th July, Fingal County Council passed a motion - tabled by Labour Party councillor Patrick Nulty - that condemned Veolia's illegal operations in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
The motion passed is as follows:
That this Council, in light of the ongoing suffering of the Palestinian people, recognises:
(1) that Veolia is a leading partner in the consortium contracted to build a light railway system linking Israel to illegal settlements in occupied East Jerusalem,
(2) that the Irish government and the U.N does not recognise Israel’s annexation and occupation of East Jerusalem and have repeatedly stated their views that the Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank contravene international law and
(3) that Veolia’s involvement in the project is in contravention of the UN’s stated demand that Israeli settlement activities and occupation should not be supported.
Meanwhile, also on Monday a similar motion before South Dublin County Council, tabled by Cllr. Dermot Looney of the Labour Party, was deferred until the next meeting in September.
What this company all about lads?
Here is the program about Naji which was broadcasted last night:
http://www.mediafire.com/?e99jhch4e9evmhf
http://www.mediafire.com/?e99jhch4e9evmhf
From Getty Images:
A Palestinian woman and her son argue with Israeli forces as they are taken away from their land which has been occupied by tents of Jewish settlers who are trying to establish a new outpost near the Israeli settlement of Kharsina on July 23, 2010 east of Hebron, in the occupied West Bank.
A Palestinian woman and her son argue with Israeli forces as they are taken away from their land which has been occupied by tents of Jewish settlers who are trying to establish a new outpost near the Israeli settlement of Kharsina on July 23, 2010 east of Hebron, in the occupied West Bank.
From Associated Press:
Palestinians extinguishes fire started by Israeli settlers on the outskirts of Burin village, near the Jewish West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus, Monday, July 26, 2010. Israeli settlers entered a Palestinian village, set fire to a field, tried to tear down an unfinished house and attacked villagers on Monday, village residents said, after Israeli authorities demolished unauthorized settler structures. The two sides began hurling rocks at each other, leaving 10 people injured, including one settler who was seriously hurt, Palestinian witnesses and Israeli police said.
Palestinians extinguishes fire started by Israeli settlers on the outskirts of Burin village, near the Jewish West Bank settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus, Monday, July 26, 2010. Israeli settlers entered a Palestinian village, set fire to a field, tried to tear down an unfinished house and attacked villagers on Monday, village residents said, after Israeli authorities demolished unauthorized settler structures. The two sides began hurling rocks at each other, leaving 10 people injured, including one settler who was seriously hurt, Palestinian witnesses and Israeli police said.
I watched it at 1 a.m, it was great. But still you're being too harsh on Arafat there, he's a symbol for the Palestinian people. Sure he fucked up many times, his "fight to get negotiate froma better position" approach was found wrong by many but by no means he was a traitor working for the Israeli agenda.
JBF, where are you exactly from Palestine? Are you born there or your origins are from Palestine? Which part of it?
What about you Rebel?
And tell me, are there some divisions between the Palestine people? Do you all feel like one and if you do, is it a consequence of what is happening or it's been like that even before 1947?
For example, in the USA you will easily notice how someone from the east coast underrates someone from Wyoming or in Croatia you can notice differences in the language of those from the coast and those from the north of the country. Are there such things among you?
What about you Rebel?
And tell me, are there some divisions between the Palestine people? Do you all feel like one and if you do, is it a consequence of what is happening or it's been like that even before 1947?
For example, in the USA you will easily notice how someone from the east coast underrates someone from Wyoming or in Croatia you can notice differences in the language of those from the coast and those from the north of the country. Are there such things among you?
He killed all the good guys in Palestinian resistance movements, especially in Fateh. He kept alive only the idiots who would not compete with him over the leadership of Palestinian people. That led us to having Abbas, Abd Rabbu, Erikat, Dahlan, and Al-Rjoub on the top of the hierarchy after his death. Their only advantage to stay alive was that they are so stupid.
Moreover, his gang was behind the wars with Jordanians and Lebanese people during decades.
Moreover, his gang was behind the wars with Jordanians and Lebanese people during decades.
By the way, my father was abroad when 1967 took place. He was working in Saudi Arabia to build a house for his new family. My mother was in the village with my eldest brother when the Israelis got into the West Bank suddenly after the Jordanian army surrendered without any type of fighting.
Some people feared their lives and fled to neighbor countries thinking that UN will force Israel to withdraw soon. Israel refused to allow those who were out of Palestine when 1967 war happened to go back to their houses. My father was one of them. That forced my mother to follow him to Saudi Arabia hoping that some day they will be back to the house they just built before the occupation.
And they are still waiting...
Some people feared their lives and fled to neighbor countries thinking that UN will force Israel to withdraw soon. Israel refused to allow those who were out of Palestine when 1967 war happened to go back to their houses. My father was one of them. That forced my mother to follow him to Saudi Arabia hoping that some day they will be back to the house they just built before the occupation.
And they are still waiting...
You really think he "got rid" of them?
Look Abed, Im not claiming he's the hero many at Fateh still praise him to be. He simply is a figure for the Palestinian people who gave his all to the cause (or at least tried) he had his own vision that many, including myself here, don't agree with but again, by no means I question his loyalty.
As for the names you mentioned there, we both know how him and Abu Abbas had their fights in the last 3-4 years Arrafat was in power. He never wanted him and he tried his best to get rid of him, if it wasn't for the American and Israeli pressure he wouldn't have gone all the way to become a president IMO. As for the rest you're right, and you of all people you know my opinion about Fateh and their so called political branch. They're all bunch of rotten heads and yeah again, I agree Arafat had much to do with that but I stress on the fact that he shouldn't be called a traitor.
Oh and wars here and in Lebanon were started and backed by almost all the Palestinian militants regardless of their groups. Fateh and Arafat were probably the most understanding ones when it came to the Jordanian regime while yeah, he thought of himself as a Lebanese president.
Im from Nablus. And no there's no devision in the meaning that there's a two groups of Palestinians where one thinks they're better than the others or more Arab. It's just political differences that you might be talking about, the ones that make a government in Gaza and one in the West bank. As that's due to some differences between the ruling Hamas in Gaza and Fateh in West Bank, as Fateh believes resistant is no longer a profitable way to get the Palestinian rights and believe negotiations and American pressure on the israelis would give us at least the west bank while Hamas believes we won't get shit by negotiating and many other groups agree with that approach.
You gotta know though that there's about a millions Palestinians in the 1948 lands in Palestine(outside West bank and Gaza to what is now called "israel") and who hold israeli citizenship but are hanging to their Palestinian and Arab identities just like those in the Arab world and maybe even more.
None of the Palestinian parties both inside the 1948 lands or outside it are calling or have ever called for a separated regime or country, they're all calling for one Palestinian country again while others are calling for that and an Israeli one living together on the same soil.
Look Abed, Im not claiming he's the hero many at Fateh still praise him to be. He simply is a figure for the Palestinian people who gave his all to the cause (or at least tried) he had his own vision that many, including myself here, don't agree with but again, by no means I question his loyalty.
As for the names you mentioned there, we both know how him and Abu Abbas had their fights in the last 3-4 years Arrafat was in power. He never wanted him and he tried his best to get rid of him, if it wasn't for the American and Israeli pressure he wouldn't have gone all the way to become a president IMO. As for the rest you're right, and you of all people you know my opinion about Fateh and their so called political branch. They're all bunch of rotten heads and yeah again, I agree Arafat had much to do with that but I stress on the fact that he shouldn't be called a traitor.
Oh and wars here and in Lebanon were started and backed by almost all the Palestinian militants regardless of their groups. Fateh and Arafat were probably the most understanding ones when it came to the Jordanian regime while yeah, he thought of himself as a Lebanese president.
Im from Nablus. And no there's no devision in the meaning that there's a two groups of Palestinians where one thinks they're better than the others or more Arab. It's just political differences that you might be talking about, the ones that make a government in Gaza and one in the West bank. As that's due to some differences between the ruling Hamas in Gaza and Fateh in West Bank, as Fateh believes resistant is no longer a profitable way to get the Palestinian rights and believe negotiations and American pressure on the israelis would give us at least the west bank while Hamas believes we won't get shit by negotiating and many other groups agree with that approach.
You gotta know though that there's about a millions Palestinians in the 1948 lands in Palestine(outside West bank and Gaza to what is now called "israel") and who hold israeli citizenship but are hanging to their Palestinian and Arab identities just like those in the Arab world and maybe even more.
None of the Palestinian parties both inside the 1948 lands or outside it are calling or have ever called for a separated regime or country, they're all calling for one Palestinian country again while others are calling for that and an Israeli one living together on the same soil.
I respect your opinion.
If you want to know about what Arafat did to become a traitor, try to read what Abu Ali Iyad said about him before being killed by the Jordanian army in 1971. Try to read what Naji Al-Ali said before being killed in London in 1987. Try to read what Abu Musa has been saying about him since ages. Try to read Ahmad Djibril's opinion about him. Try to see how much his widow stole from our people's money.
If you want to know about what Arafat did to become a traitor, try to read what Abu Ali Iyad said about him before being killed by the Jordanian army in 1971. Try to read what Naji Al-Ali said before being killed in London in 1987. Try to read what Abu Musa has been saying about him since ages. Try to read Ahmad Djibril's opinion about him. Try to see how much his widow stole from our people's money.