Israeli-Palestinian conflict (74 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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It takes a terrorist to know a terrorist. As an Irish i think you're the best judge of who a terrorist really is.

Long Live the Queen


Also, i would say Kramer's idea should be implemented in Ireland too, as it would limit the amount of idiots like IZ coming in to this universe.
 

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Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
He likes to play the role of an arrogant know it all, while he has nothing but illogical nonsense to spout on the subject. Some people are born stupid though, we shouldn't blame those people for the idiotic things they say.

You live in a siege where you can barely find something to eat and all this in your own land and your own country, but you can still be called a terrorist, only in IZ's logic :tup:
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    Electricity again is not available for the majority in Gaza because of forbidding gas from entering there...
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Mass deportation feared after West Bank permit ruling

    The Israeli army is to enact a ruling that could leave tens of thousands of Palestinians vulnerable to deportation from the West Bank, human rights groups have claimed.

    A coalition of ten Israeli groups appealed to the Defence Ministry not to enact the military order, due to come into effect tomorrow, that would define anyone in the West Bank who does not hold an Israeli permit as an “infiltrator”.

    Those without a permit would be liable to seven years in prison and the cost of their deportation from the West Bank — most likely to the Gaza Strip.

    “Most of the people there don’t have any permit at all. It’s a question of how the permit is defined, and it’s not defined at present,” said Elad Cahana, a lawyer acting for HaMoked, one of the rights groups.

    They believe that the main target is tens of thousands of Palestinians whose original addresses are registered in the Gaza Strip, but who have lived for many years in the West Bank in areas administered by the Palestinian Authority. Others include those of Palestinian descent who have either married West Bank residents or have been reunited with families there, as well as international activists such as the International Solidarity Movement, whose members often accompany Palestinians on protests and demonstrations.

    “There’s an estimated 25,000 people in the West Bank whose homes are registered in Gaza, and tens of thousands more who don’t have ID cards at all: people of Palestinian descent who have been applying for them,” said Sari Bashi, of Gisha, another group.

    “Israel has territorial claims in the West Bank, and is implementing ... draconian policies to empty the West of Palestinians,” she said. The groups said in a statement that the orders were worded so broadly that they theoretically allowed the military “to empty the West Bank of almost all its Palestinian inhabitants” because most have never been required to hold any permit.

    They also said that “despite the severe ramifications of the orders, the authorities did not publicise their existence among the Palestinian population as required, which raises grave concerns that they intended to pass them secretly without public debate or judicial review.”

    The Palestinian Authority issued a furious denunciation of the plans, which it said threatened to “turn Palestinians into criminals in their own homes”.

    “These military orders belong in an apartheid state,” said Saeb Erakat, a senior official. “Most of all, they reveal the invidious design behind Israel’s settlement policy.

    “The fewer Palestinians there are in the West Bank, including in occupied East Jerusalem, the more settlers there will be. Israel’s endgame is not peace. It is the colonisation of the West Bank.”

    The Israeli army said that the aim was the extradition of those residing illegally in Judea and Samaria [Israel’s term for the West Bank]. “This is a pre-existing order, which was corrected to assure judicial oversight of the extradition process,” it said.

    But Rights groups said that the orders failed to define what constituted a valid permit, leaving it open to the interpretation of the army.

    “The vast majority of people now living in the West Bank have never been required to hold any sort of permit to be present therein,” they said.

    The Israeli army has already deported a number of Palestinians from Gaza who rights groups argue were living legally in the West Bank.

    One of them was Berlanty Azzam, a 22-year-old studying business at Bethlehem University who was picked up at an Israeli checkpoint while travelling from a job interview between two Palestinian Authority areas of the West Bank last year.

    She was immediately deported to the Gaza Strip despite military assurances to her lawyer that she would not be removed until an Israeli judge had heard her case.

    When Gisha finally managed to bring the case before the Supreme Court, Ms Azzam’s request to return to Bethlehem was denied and the army had taken away and “lost” her original 2005 permit to cross Israel and enter the West Bank, Ms Bashi said. She is still living in Gaza.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7094854.ece
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    It takes a terrorist to know a terrorist. As an Irish i think you're the best judge of who a terrorist really is.

    Long Live the Queen


    Also, i would say Kramer's idea should be implemented in Ireland too, as it would limit the amount of idiots like IZ coming in to this universe.
    I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult me in your posts, I've not done it to you ands it's not on, considering the usual rapport between us

    Don't even bother, the more you argue him about it the more he clinches to being an ass.
    Excuse me for not using double standards and wanting to see babies killed.
    And you bothered to say all that :disagree:



    Yet, Well put Moh'd :tup:
    He likes to play the role of an arrogant know it all, while he has nothing but illogical nonsense to spout on the subject. Some people are born stupid though, we shouldn't blame those people for the idiotic things they say.

    You live in a siege where you can barely find something to eat and all this in your own land and your own country, but you can still be called a terrorist, only in IZ's logic :tup:


    I haven't even been postin :confused: Report that shit.


    Terrorism: The Intentional Use of Violence for Political Purposes.
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
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    We're waiting for marriage.
    Here's a phrase from my terrorism essay -

    the conflict between Israel and Palestine isn't a War against Terrorists it's a war between Terrorists :alen:
    Wasn't this the same essay you told me about that we argued about its title?

    Having such a phrase in there (if you did indeed write such crap) is idiotic to say the least. Unless ofcourse you can support it with evidence on how Palestinians as people are terrorists. You just made a big ass generalization there good luck convincing yourself that it makes sense now.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    Wasn't this the same essay you told me about that we argued about its title?

    Having such a phrase in there (if you did indeed write such crap) is idiotic to say the least. Unless ofcourse you can support it with evidence on how Palestinians as people are terrorists. You just made a big ass generalization there good luck convincing yourself that it makes sense now.
    There are no armed groups within Palestine that utilise exclusively conventional means of warfare.

    Where's the mention of the Palestinian people in general being terrorists? you're point doesn't make sense. The essay was CRITICAL of the Zionist occupation saying that under the definition of Terrorism that was used in the analysis both the IDF/Mossad and Hamas/Fatah were terrorists and hence the Israeli- Palestinian war was not a state VS terrorists but terrorists vs terrorists.

    I know english isn't your first language but for fuck sake you've taken a huge leap there for no reason.
     

    JBF

    اختك يا زمن
    Aug 5, 2006
    18,451
    the conflict between Israel and Palestine isn't a War against Terrorists it's a war between Terrorists
    Now from that tell me where the fuck do you mention any of Hamas/Fateh Dan? Even a fuckin KG student would realise that you were talking in general about Palestinians or at least about their country as a whole there.

    You should have explained that post better but I understand that maybe you weren't being that serious when posting it but still, it makes a world difference especially when you're talking about more than five thousand civilian casualty in the last so called "war" in Gaza while the civilian casualty from the other side was a mere 8-10 IIRC.

    So calling both of the parties Terrorists is a crime by itself as far as Im concerned.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    Now from that tell me where the fuck do you mention any of Hamas/Fateh Dan? Even a fuckin KG student would realise that you were talking in general about Palestinians or at least about their country as a whole there.

    You should have explained that post better but I understand that maybe you weren't being that serious when posting it but still, it makes a world difference especially when you're talking about more than five thousand civilian casualty in the last so called "war" in Gaza while the civilian casualty from the other side was a mere 8-10 IIRC.

    So calling both of the parties Terrorists is a crime by itself as far as Im concerned.
    The war between America and the Taliban isn't a war against Terrorists it's a war between terrorist....


    WHAT HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT ALL AMERICANS ARE TERRORISTS :blah:



    That's what you're doing right now.
     

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