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Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Hamas promises vengeance as Mahmoud al-Mabhouh is electrocuted in Dubai


    The Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas accused Israel yesterday of assassinating one of its military chiefs in Dubai — a man who helped to found the group’s armed wing and who was behind the kidnapping and killing of two Israeli soldiers in the first intifada 21 years ago.

    Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, who was a key to the continuing operations to smuggle weapons into the blockaded Gaza Strip, was killed in a hotel in Dubai on January 20, Hamas officials said. He is believed to have been behind the attempted smuggling of truckloads of weapons into Gaza through Sudan last year — a convoy that was blown up by Israeli jets while still in Africa.

    Hamas officials refused to specify the circumstances of his death until an inquiry had been held, and hinted that the delay in announcing the killing was part of an attempt to capture his assassins. Dubai police said they had begun a manhunt but suspected that the killers had already left the emirate using fake European passports.

    They said: “The culprits left a trace behind that points to them and will help in chasing and arresting them.” The police promised to work with Interpol to track the killers down.

    Mr al-Mabhouh’s brother, Faiq, said that the death was caused by electrocution. “The first results of a joint investigation by Hamas and the United Arab Emirates show he was killed by an electrical appliance that was held to his head,” he said. Security sources quoted in Gulf media said that as well as electrical burns, al-Mabhouh’s body bore traces of strangulation.

    Israel has so far declined to comment on the charges but in the past has carried out numerous overseas assassinations of Palestinian military leaders, as well as killing a number of officials inside the Palestinian territories in airstrikes, including Hamas’s wheelchair-bound spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, in 2004. His successor, Abdelaziz al-Rantissi, was killed in an almost identical helicopter attack a month later.

    Izzat Rashaq, a senior Hamas official in Damascus, said that Mr al-Mabhouh, a 50-year-old father of four from the Jabalya refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, had masterminded the kidnapping and killing of two Israeli soldiers, Avi Sasportas and Ilan Saadon, during the first Palestinian uprising against Israel in the late 1980s. He is believed to have pioneered the tactic of abducting soldiers to exert pressure on Israel. Hamas has been holding one soldier, Gilad Schalit, inside Gaza for 3½ years. The two soldiers were kidnapped on two occasions in 1989. The body of one was discovered seven years later.

    Mr al-Mabhouh had been in Israeli prisons on different occasions before being exiled and taking up residence, together with many other Hamas leaders, in Damascus. He was killed a day after he arrived in Dubai. Hamas did not say what he was doing in the Gulf city, which many militant groups use as a financial hub.

    Hamas, which Israel has blockaded in Gaza for three years and which it tried to topple in a brief war last year, said that it would “retaliate for this Zionist crime at the appropriate time and place”. It added that Mr al-Mabhouh was buried yesterday in a Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus.

    His alleged assassination may have been the latest operation by the Israeli spy agency Mossad and its special forces to hunt down the Jewish state’s enemies and kill them. In 1972, after Palestinians from the Black September organisation killed nine Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics, Israeli agents tracked down and assassinated the masterminds of the attack across Europe and the Middle East.

    One of the highest-profile assassination attempts was of Khaled Meshaal in Jordan in 1997, when Israeli agents squirted poison in his ear. Jordanian police caught the two agents and held them until Israel agreed to hand over the antidote to the toxin, and the Hamas leader survived.

    Israeli special forces also killed the Fatah co-founder, Khalil al-Wazir, widely known as Abu Jihad, in his home with his family in Tunis in 1988. He was shot while watching TV news of the Palestinian uprising.

    One of the assassinations attributed to Israel, but which it has never acknowledged publicly, was of Imad Mughniyeh, the head of Hezbollah’s armed wing and the world’s most-wanted terrorist before Osama bin Laden carried out the September 11, 2001, attacks.

    He had been behind deadly attacks against Jewish organisations in Argentina and had transformed the Lebanese militia into the most successful guerrilla group in the Arab world. He died in an explosion in his car in Damascus in 2008.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7007864.ece
     

    Eddy

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    Aug 20, 2005
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    Wow a terrorist gets killed and there's RIP's floating around. :disagree:
    Call it terrorist, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, call it whatever you want, there all the same shit but when an army enters your homeland and starts killing everyone and occupies it, no one sits down like a little bitch and gulps it in. You retaliate because you now know you must fight fire with fire. You also don't harm civilians in the process.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Wow a terrorist gets killed and there's RIP's floating around. :disagree:
    Ok.

    I will tell you the whole situation at that time to make your final opinion if he was a terrorist or not.

    In 1989, there were 8000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jail. Many of them were jailed without being taken to court even.

    Ok, this guy, Mabhouh thought about it and found that the best possible way to force Israel to free thousands of prisoners was by taking a hostage from the military Zionists who are under service, not civilians.

    He succeeded in catching the first one. Israel refused even to talk with him, and kept chasing him until that hostage was killed..

    After months, he repeated the process with another soldier, and Israel reacted exactly the same.

    He was chased all the time, and could not find a way but continuing supporting resistance from abroad.

    Now, there are more than 10000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jail. Hamas took one Israeli soldier as a hostage since more than two years. Israel does not want to negotiate with Hamas seriously.

    What should relatives of prisoners do? Should they obey the orders of occupiers and leave their dear ones behind bars just because they are Palestinians?
     
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    ReBeL

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    Call it terrorist, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, call it whatever you want, there all the same shit but when an army enters your homeland and starts killing everyone and occupies it, no one sits down like a little bitch and gulps it in. You retaliate because you now know you must fight fire with fire. You also don't harm civilians in the process.
    Depends on your definition of a terrorist.
    Civilans will always get killed unfortunately but groups who deliberately
    go out to kill civilans or have a selfish and unjust motive are terrorists.
    :tup:
     

    IrishZebra

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    Jun 18, 2006
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    Depends on your definition of a terrorist.
    A radical who employs terror as a political weapon.

    Call it terrorist, freedom fighter, resistance fighter, call it whatever you want, there all the same shit but when an army enters your homeland and starts killing everyone and occupies it, no one sits down like a little bitch and gulps it in. You retaliate because you now know you must fight fire with fire. You also don't harm civilians in the process.
    Hamas kill civilians
    Ok.


    best possible way to force Israel to free thousands of prisoners was by taking a hostage from the military Zionists who are under service, not civilians.

    He succeeded in catching the first one. Israel refused even to talk with him, and kept chasing him until that hostage was killed..

    After months, he repeated the process with another soldier, and Israel reacted exactly the same.
    ?
    So he abducted and murdered two soldiers in order to fulfil a political objective- TERRORIST.
     
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    ReBeL

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    A radical who employs terror as a political weapon.


    Hamas kill civilians


    So he abducted and murdered two soldiers in order to fulfil a political objective- TERRORIST.
    Whatever.

    You did not give him another approach to use to free innocent people, by the way.

    I can criticize people in Haiti now that they are so slow in rescuing their beloved ones, but if they will hear my words, they will laugh at my accusations to them because simply I do not know more about their situation more than them to judge them.
     

    IrishZebra

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    Jun 18, 2006
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    Whatever.

    You did not give him another approach to use to free innocent people, by the way.

    I can criticize people in Haiti now that they are so slow in rescuing their beloved ones, but if they will hear my words, they will laugh at my accusations to them because simply I do not know more about their situation more than them to judge them.
    Yeah, Whatever seems to be the staple response of Terrorists and Zionist Terrorists alike, perhaps you guys have more in common than you think.

    Your second paragraph makes absolutely no sense, at all.
     
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    ReBeL

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    And killing them, yea?

    Abed, you said those two soldiers got killed in Israel's attempts to free them. How this happened?
    Well, that was a long time ago. I was ten years old at that time.

    From what I'm reading about that is that these two soldiers were taken as hostages to negotiate freeing the Palestinian prisoners. Israel did not accept to negotiate and made huge number of arrests between Hamas leaders and members. The cell that was holding the hostages waited, but when they knew Israel won't negotiate with them, they could not bear more pressure and killed the hostages.
     

    king Ale

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    Oct 28, 2004
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    Well, that was a long time ago. I was ten years old at that time.

    From what I'm reading about that is that these two soldiers were taken as hostages to negotiate freeing the Palestinian prisoners. Israel did not accept to negotiate and made huge number of arrests between Hamas leaders and members. The cell that was holding the hostages waited, but when they knew Israel won't negotiate with them, they could not bear more pressure and killed the hostages.
    This is disgusting Abed. What's the difference between these two parties then and how you expect people to sympathize with Hamas leaders and not to call them terrorists? All I can perceive here is that Hamas leaders can be just as cruel and insane as their Israeili counterparts and they would have committed the same crimes if they had been in the Zionists' places and if they'd had enough power. As much as I feel for your people and as much as I hate what Zionists are doing to them, I find it impossible (and sad) to mourn over one Hamas leader who had been in charge of the exact same crime.
     

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