Israeli-Palestinian conflict (48 Viewers)

[Eddy]

Any country is right.

 

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[IrishZebra]

What?

 

[JBF]

Right but what your saying is you feel so much love for something that only exists in the hearts and minds of the people of Palestine. It is true that the state of Palestine was stolen but you're far too yuong to even have a notion of Palestine.

So you think just because I weren't raised in Palestine I shouldn't have love for Palestine?

Ok then, lets make it easier for you to understand. Why the hell do you think the Irishmen in Dispora still to this day love their native country and in many cases waving the flags, visity their "old" country and still keeping the axcent?

The love of your country passes any border and In my case it has nothing to do with moments I had there but for what my own country represents to me from feeling belonged to having a home where I shall return one day and where my kids would hopefully spend their times. There's nowhere on earth as beautifull as my country and that is Palestine.

 

[IrishZebra]

I said because Palestine didn't exist your entire life, it's like Dusan pining over Yugoslavia.

 

[ReBeL]

We see things differently, Martin. For us, the cause is everything but ridiculous! Why would someone have a family and put them in a bad case of oppression anyway? I don't know how to really explain it to you but in every Arab country there are those who believe in the cause. And as Fred had mentioned earlier, Arabs (and Muslims in general) were never bounded to those borders even in the days when several existed rulers in the region (be it Abbasids, Fatimies and others or Sassanids and Byzantines) those were just domains but the people were always one. Even under Turkish Ottoman rule. It's easier to see in Europe when Arabs just concentrate in one place, take Edgeware Road in London for example.

Israel should never have existed if the British and French mandates did not part us in defined borders which only gave us these conflicts we see these days. What I mean to say is, Palestine is a part of my land as much as Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia are. Can we throw Israel into the sea? Is it worth it as a cause? Well, all people deserve to live and if Jews want to live in some place let them be but not on our expense. Was WWII a worthy cause for the French? yes they restored their lands back from the oppressive Nazi regime. Did they need help? for sure there were the allies. Did other allies think that it is a worthy cause? Yes, they removed the Nazi regime from the face of the world. Was Germany an established country back then? yes as much as Israel right now!

Alright, I can see that the balance of powers is actually equal in WWII case but I also can see how Arab countries have optimum potential (human, resources and minds). Had we not occupied the top 20 corrupted countries, things would've been different. After all, Israel is backed from the world's biggest power.

Of course, WWII resulted in two Germanies but our war aims to no Israels. Jews lived in our lands for centuries after centuries and they were treated as human beings let them live around but they should never rule us in our lands.

Of course the people want unification, but they lack the right man with charisma, intelligence, influence and somewhat a tactician. Something which Europe was fond of making.

There are also the Arab governments which would not allow that to happen anyway because they want to stay in power and they love their greed.

Couldn't say it better...

 

[ReBeL]

By the way, afew days ago we had a conversation with Hoori about what a Jordanian guy can do to help the Palestinians, and we said that all the borders are well- protected.

You all heard about the 7 CIA Americans who were bombed before two days in Afghanistan.

Today, Taliban Pakistan said that the guy who bombed them is a Jordanian. It seems this guy tried to do something in Palestine, but he could not, so he moved to Afghanistan to fight American army as they are allying with Israel.

 

[JBF]

I said because Palestine didn't exist your entire life

And where did you get this impression from?

 

[IrishZebra]

And where did you get this impression from?

because you weren't alive in the 1940s

 

[JBF]

By the way, afew days ago we had a conversation with Hoori about what a Jordanian guy can do to help the Palestinians, and we said that all the borders are well- protected.

You all heard about the 7 CIA Americans who were bombed before two days in Afghanistan.

Today, Taliban Pakistan said that the guy who bombed them is a Jordanian. It seems this guy tried to do something in Palestine, but he could not, so he moved to Afghanistan to fight American army as they are allying with Israel.

Reb, Taliban said that this was a Captain in the Afghan army, And two days ago a Jordanian captain was said to be killed in Afghanistan. You think these are somehow connected

 

[JBF]

because you weren't alive in the 1940s

So..?

Its not like the killing nor the Land stealling stopped at that time.

 

[ReBeL]

Reb, Taliban said that this was a Captain in the Afghan army, And two days ago a Jordanian captain was said to be killed in Afghanistan. You think these are somehow connected

I have no idea. Aljazeera said today that Taliban Pakistan said he is a Jordanian. I don't think he is the same officer that the Jordanian army mentioned two days ago. If I know more info, I'll let you know.

 

[IrishZebra]

So..?

Its not like the killing nor the Land stealling stopped at that time.

What are you on about?

 

[Eddy]

What?

That was for juvesbigfan

I said because Palestine didn't exist your entire life, it's like Dusan pining over Yugoslavia.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't exist. People are fighting for it to exist just like the Irish were fighting for an Ireland to exist as were most other nations around the world that were fighting for their existence.

 

[ReBeL]

because you weren't alive in the 1940s

Ok. Algerians were occupied for the period 1830-1962. Using your logic here, they stopped being Algerian in the end of the 19th century, and those who fought for independence in the 20th century are no Algerians.

 

[IrishZebra]

Of course it matters.

 

[IrishZebra]

Ok. Algerians were occupied for the period 1830-1962. Using your logic here, they stopped being Algerian in the end of the 19th century, and those who fought for independence in the 20th century are no Algerians.

So Forces occupied Algeria with a different populace and set up a completely different state for those years?

 

[Eddy]

So..?

Its not like the killing nor the Land stealling stopped at that time.

What are you on about?

I don't understand this argument. It's like saying "Let's stop the hostilities, 100 years have passed by and we have reached nowhere" so all those people who gave their blood for their countries have their name tarnished in vain for no absolute reason.

 

[IrishZebra]

I don't understand this argument. It's like saying "Let's stop the hostilities, 100 years have passed by and we have reached nowhere" so all those people who gave their blood for their countries have their name tarnished in vain for no absolute reason.

Northern Ireland?

 

[ReBeL]

So Forces occupied Algeria with a different populace and set up a completely different state for those years?

France's aim was to have Algeria as its backyard, so it tried to change everything in the country. Old people over there speak French better than Arabic. Doesn't that mean France tried to erase Algeria, but people kept being Algerian?

 

[JBF]

I have no idea. Aljazeera said today that Taliban Pakistan said he is a Jordanian. I don't think he is the same officer that the Jordanian army mentioned two days ago. If I know more info, I'll let you know.

Plz do. 3a rassi z3eem

What are you on about?

That was for juvesbigfan

Then I'll 2nd IZ and say: What?

Of course it matters.