Israeli-Palestinian conflict (60 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
I was actually referring to the boy as a martyr, but i guess your point would still stand even if i was referring to the boy.

In Islam, we consider both as martyrs though. Whether he intended to die for the cause or not, does not matter here. The fact is, he did die.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,235
Middle East peace plan threatened after UN passes Gaza war crimes report

The UN Human Rights Council today voted to endorse a Gaza war crimes report despite Israel's threats to pull out of the Middle East peace talks in retaliation.

The international body approved a resolution recommending the report after two days of heated debate. The document condemns Israel’s conduct in last winter’s conflict and theoretically paves the way for international prosecution of Israelis and Palestinians accused of war crimes.

Britain opted out of the vote in protest after the failure of frantic last-minute negotiations between London, Paris and Tel Aviv to wring Israeli concessions in return for a no vote.

Britain and France had been planning to abstain and had hoped for a united European position. But as it became clear that other European countries would vote against, a decision was taken to use the lure of a no vote as a bargaining tool with Israel.

Gordon Brown spent the morning in intense telephone exchanges with Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, according to British officials, offering him Britain’s support in return for three concessions: an immediate independent Israeli investigation into alleged war crimes committed in Gaza; a freeze on all settlement activity; and full freedom of access to Gaza.

“Obviously that would have influenced our decision on the vote,” Peter Gooderham, the British Ambassador to the UN in Geneva, told The Times.

Last night Mr Brown and Mr Netanyahu engaged in a "robust exchange", when the Israeli leader strongly urged Britain to oppose the resolution.

France’s representative urged the Council to defer the vote until the afternoon to allow negotiations to continue but was refused twice by Egypt, the co-sponsor of the resolution, which insisted that the vote go ahead immediately. It passed with 25 votes for, 6 against and 11 absentions. Britain, France, Madagascar, Kyrgyzstan and Angola were the only countries that refused to register a vote.

Eli Yishai, the Israeli Interior Minister, said it was an “anti-Israel decision".

“The Israeli Army acted with silk gloves towards innocent [civilians],” he said. “The committee’s decision is a diplomatic farce.” :cry: :rolleyes2

The resolution calls for the endorsement of the recommendations contained in the report produced by Richard Goldstone, a South African international war crimes prosecutor, who investigated the 22-day conflict.

It also “calls upon all concerned parties including United Nations bodies, to ensure their implementation".

Mr Goldstone concluded that both Israel and Hamas, Gaza’s rulers, committed war crimes and possible crimes against humanity during the conflict launched by Israel in response to rocket fire from the enclave in late December 2008.

The report recommends referring its conclusions to the International Criminal Court prosecutor in The Hague, if Israel and Hamas fail to conduct credible investigations within six months.

Saeb Erekat, the chief Palestinian negotiator, said he was delighted that the resolution had been passed. “The Palestinian Authority welcomes the decision of the UN Human Rights Council and we hope this will be followed up in the UN Security Council to ensure such Israeli crimes are not repeated,” he said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6877833.ece
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
So let be already, its either we live free or die trying. you guys will never get it, only the ones who had the taste of occupation in their mouth sympathizes with us.
they destroy our homes every single day, they prevent us from working in our land which is inside the green line why?? because we are too dangerous for them to live beside. Even the arabs who has the israeli passport suffer from discrimination in every aspect of their lives...so yes let them bring it own what the worse that could happen!
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
So let be already, its either we live free or die trying. you guys will never get it, only the ones who had the taste of occupation in their mouth sympathizes with us.
they destroy our homes every single day, they prevent us from working in our land which is inside the green line why?? because we are too dangerous for them to live beside. Even the arabs who has the israeli passport suffer from discrimination in every aspect of their lives...so yes let them bring it own what the worse that could happen!
Yeah but Muslims and Jew are bold
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,235
I sympathize with the Palestinians, not Israel. The latter isn't even a true ally of the United States because nobody signed a treaty saying so, and that's how they can continue their expansion into and occupy Palestinian land. Considering Israel has nuclear weapons, it's illegal for them to receive economic and military aid, yet they still receive it -- from the pockets of US taxpayers.

That's why I say cut them off and let them fend for themselves. If they get destroyed, so be it. Won't be any different from letting Darfur happen. Or else start funding the Palestinians with weapons and aid.

Either way, the region is doomed to fail. Has been for centuries.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
I sympathize with the Palestinians, not Israel. The latter isn't even a true ally of the United States because nobody signed a treaty saying so, and that's how they can continue their expansion into and occupy Palestinian land. Considering Israel has nuclear weapons, it's illegal for them to receive economic and military aid, yet they still receive it -- from the pockets of US taxpayers.

That's why I say cut them off and let them fend for themselves. If they get destroyed, so be it. Won't be any different from letting Darfur happen. Or else start funding the Palestinians with weapons and aid.

Either way, the region is doomed to fail. Has been for centuries.
Its doomed to be free, flourished and united but not to fail. The rest u said is a true masterpiece few only few in the western world have the same knowledge you do.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
I sympathize with the Palestinians, not Israel. The latter isn't even a true ally of the United States because nobody signed a treaty saying so, and that's how they can continue their expansion into and occupy Palestinian land. Considering B: Israel has nuclear weapons, it's illegal for them to receive economic and military aid, yet they still receive it -- from the pockets of US taxpayers.

That's why I say cut them off and let them fend for themselves. A: If they get destroyed, so be it. Won't be any different from letting Darfur happen. Or else start funding the Palestinians with weapons and aid.

Either way, the region is doomed to fail. Has been for centuries.
A could never happen because of B.
 

JBF

اختك يا زمن
Aug 5, 2006
18,451
A muslim state is just as bad as a jewish state...
ßüякε;2177595 said:
That is true.
Just have a look at the past and learn how Jerusalem was a city of 3 religions and thats how it got its name "Peace city" and that was under the Muslim rule.
ßüякε;2177600 said:
A could never happen because of B.
A can happen when Pakistan + Iran are involved :D
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,235
ßüякε;2177600 said:
A could never happen because of B.
Depends. Enemies of Israel could strike from inside their borders. And even though Iran is far from having nuclear capability, they could always be launched upon. At least that's what those who approve of an attack on Iran claim.

Somewhat related, I heard that Navy Admiral Mullen told Netanyahu earlier this year that if Israel sent jets in to bomb Iran, orders would be given to shoot down those jets once in Iraqi airspace. The source is Ray McGovern, senior CIA briefer to Bush. Good to see somebody have some sense.
 
Apr 12, 2004
77,165
Depends. Enemies of Israel could strike from inside their borders. And even though Iran is far from having nuclear capability, they could always be launched upon. At least that's what those who approve of an attack on Iran claim.

Somewhat related, I heard that Navy Admiral Mullen told Netanyahu earlier this year that if Israel sent jets in to bomb Iran, orders would be given to shoot down those jets once in Iraqi airspace. The source is Ray McGovern, senior CIA briefer to Bush. Good to see somebody have some sense.
Damn right...
 

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