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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Amnesty International urges Barack Obama to suspend military aid to Israel

    The human rights group said it found evidence that Israel and Hamas had both used weapons supplied from overseas to carry out attacks on civilians, accusing both sides of committing war crimes during the three-week conflict at the start of the year. It accused Israel of using white phosphorous and other weapons from the US and said Barack Obama had a "particular obligation" to suspend military aid over their use.

    Amnesty called for the UN Security Council to enact an arms embargo until mechanisms were put in place to ensure that equipment was not used to commit violations of international law.

    "Israeli forces used white phosphorus and other weapons supplied by the USA to carry out serious violations of international humanitarian law, including war crimes," said Donatella Rovera, who headed an Amnesty fact-finding mission to southern Israel and Gaza.

    "Their attacks resulted in the death of hundreds of children and other civilians, and massive destruction of homes and infrastructure."
    The report also said Hamas and other Palestinian groups should be subject to the embargo because they had committed war crimes by attacking Israeli towns with rockets.

    "Though far less lethal than the weaponry used by Israel, such rocket firing also constitutes a war crime and caused several civilian deaths," Ms Rovera said.
    Both sides have dismissed the report.

    Amnesty said it had found fragments and components of artillery, tank shells, mortar fins and airborne missiles and bombs in school playgrounds, hospitals and homes in Gaza.

    In southern Israel it found remains of rockets fired indiscriminately at civilian areas by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups.

    "We urge the UN Security Council to impose an immediate and comprehensive arms embargo on Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups until effective mechanisms are found to ensure that munitions and other military equipment are not used to commit serious violations of international law," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty's Middle East director.

    "In addition all states should suspend all transfers of military equipment, assistance and munitions to Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups until there is no longer a substantial risk of human rights violations.

    "There must be no return to business as usual, with the predictably devastating consequences for civilians in Gaza and Israel."

    The release of the report came as hundreds of travellers left blockaded Gaza for Egypt, in one of the sporadic openings that enable students, patients and others with Egyptian visas to cross the border.

    About 1,000 university students and holders of foreign residency permits were eligible to cross, and by mid-afternoon Sunday, about 600 people had made the trip, border officials said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-Obama-to-suspend-military-aid-to-Israel.html
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    113,563
    Ron Paul is considered a "looney" by common folk in the United States. Too bad he's right about many things and isn't a liar like most scumbag politicians in today's world. In retrospect, I'd rather have him as President than others.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    113,563
    My Republican middle school friend's take on this matter. :rolleyes:

    After more than 3,000 rockets had been fired randomly into Israel from Hamas terrorists in Gaza for more than a year, Israel finally responded by invading Gaza, targeting terrorists, and disrupting the extensive tunnel-based smuggling network underground. Now, as Gaza reconstructs and Palestinians suddenly cry out as victims, President Obama’s State Department is preparing $900 million to aid in the reconstruction. It is wrong.

    Hamas-supporting Palestinians are not victims. Hamas is a terrorist organization bent on the destruction of Israel, not the establishment of its own state. Hamas –and Palestinians –rejected out-of-hand President Bush’s proposal for the mutual coexistence and recognition of Palestine and Israel as states. The primary purpose of Hamas is to eradicate Israel. The Palestinians –as they themselves remind Americans –democratically put into power Hamas. The freely chose a terrorist group to head their political system.

    It would seem almost silly to venture into history –forget that Israel repeatedly stood alone, and withstood assaults alone against a host of Muslim enemies, and miraculously survived each time (such as the Six Day War of 1967, for example) –because that would only strengthen the case against aid to any of its avowed enemies. Forget that Hamas provoked the military backlash against its terrorist operations. Forget that a host of Muslim nations –including, and especially, Iran –financially back Hamas and provide it weapons.

    Hamas was not defeated. It suffered a serious blow, but it was not defeated. Hamas will continue on in its fanatical quest to deconstruct Israel. They will provoke another defensive operation against them, and then they will cry out to the international community as victims while Israel, fully justified in its action to protect its citizens and sovereignty against Hamas, is condemned.

    And now the United States –the victim of the largest and most destructive terrorist attack in history –is buying into the charade, and will be financing terrorism. Obama is going to be sending $900 million to the Palestinian Authority. It is immoral, and it is wrong. Israel was not firing random rockets into Gaza. Israel has not publicly called for the destruction of Gaza, Palestine, and Muslims everywhere. Israel does not use terrorist tactics, nor does it sponsor terrorism. To leave it up to the discretion of the Palestinian Authority to disperse the received American funds is likewise wrong, and immoral. The Palestinian Authority will give funds to Hamas, which controls Gaza. Hamas -which calls in its own charter to destroy Israel –will be able to use the funds as it sees fit.

    Much of the money –indeed, if not all of it –will be used to finance terrorist operations and activities against Israel, and thereby extension, against the West. If Obama is truly supportive of civilians in Gaza, and truly opposed to terrorism, then let him send medical supplies, food, and water instead of money. Let him send bricks, mortar, and offer humanitarian assistance short of funds. Let him offer Israel the money to reconstruct. They are the victims of terrorism.

    If Obama is attempting to reach out to the Muslim world, to give cause for open dialogue, then he will be rebuked. All presidents, despite approach and regardless of political party, have suffered stinging backlash from attempts to dialogue. Eight years under the Clinton administration of reaching out to the Muslim world and attempting to let civilian and legal authorities handle terrorism –what Obama is now pursuing –resulted in a breakdown in national security and the worst terrorist attack in American history. Seven years of strict action and constructivist foreign policy in conjunction with military and defense agencies handling terrorism prevented another such attack under President Bush. And seven years after declaring War on Terror, Obama will have the United States funding terrorism.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    113,563
    He's not my friend anymore, that's for sure. Hasn't been in about 9 years. I like his dad though - played for the US Men's Olympic Soccer team. Best coach I've had.
     
    Jul 2, 2006
    19,237
    what do you think ReBeL?

    Palestinians pledge era of unity

    Leaders of the rival Palestinian factions Hamas and Fatah have said they are entering a new era of reconciliation, after talks in Cairo.

    Delegations from each side, and other Palestinian groups, have agreed to set up committees to look at forming a unity government and holding elections.

    The committees are to finish their work by the end of March, said senior Fatah official Ahmed Qurei.

    On Wednesday both groups agreed to release detainees from the other side.

    In another confidence-building measure, they pledged to stop attacking each other in the media to foster goodwill between the two sides.

    'No choice'

    Committees will also look at reforming the security services and merging Hamas into the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Liberation Organisation.

    The talks were held at the office in Cairo of the powerful Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman.

    He said there was no option but for the reconciliation process to succeed.

    "We have no choice but to succeed and to move forward dramatically on the road to end division... You are responsible for your people," he told the delegates.

    Solving Fatah-Hamas differences is seen also as an essential step if an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal is to happen - although with Israel also at a political crossroads analysts say that could be a long way off.

    The Palestinian negotiating committees will next meet on 8 March to continue their work.

    Gaza reconstruction

    About a dozen Palestinian groups are taking part in the national dialogue.

    The idea is to form an interim unity government that would prepare for new presidential and legislative elections and co-ordinate the rebuilding of Gaza.

    The US, Britain and the EU have made clear that they would rather see non-partisan technocrats in control of the Palestinian territories than a coalition which includes Hamas.

    Egypt is hosting an international reconstruction conference on 2 March at which the Palestinians hope to raise $2.8bn (£1.95bn).

    A previous unity agreement fell apart after Israel and its international backers refused to deal with Hamas, which refuses to recognise Israel.

    Inter-factional fighting in Gaza came to a head in the summer of 2007 when Hamas fighters ousted the pro-Fatah security forces and overthrew PA control.

    As well as continued tension, both sides have been accused of conducting politically motivated arrests and the torture of rival faction members.

    Egypt revived the call for Palestinian reconciliation talks in November.

    However, Hamas withdrew from the talks, complaining that Fatah continued to arrest Hamas members in the West Bank.

    Efforts to secure a reconciliation have gained strength since Israel's three-week military offensive in Gaza which ended on 18 January.

    The Fatah and Hamas sides have fundamental differences over how to deal with Israel. While Fatah has renounced violence, Hamas refuses to recognise Israel. Hamas is prepared to accept a short-term truce but it reserves the right to fight Israel.
     

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