Israeli-Palestinian conflict (39 Viewers)

[Lawnchair Bes]

Alen, you can say whatever you want about the case because you are a historian that was confirmed to know what you are talking about many times in this forum and you never insulted Islam, but saying that Seven is neutral about Muslims is just stupid.

He waits for anything since he joined his forum to attack Islam and Muslims. He made fun of our prophet many times. I don't ask you to punish him because I don't really care about his penalty in a forum, but I can't keep silent when you say he is neutral regarding Islam.

And by the way, he is the most hypocrite creature I ever saw in this forum.

seven IS neutral about islam. he just isn't a fan of religion. huge difference. seeing as how this conflict involves two religious groups i would have no reason to believe 7 is biased. if we are talking about muslims fighting western europe then you have a point

 

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[ReBeL]

Ok, lets try it this way.
There is a census from Croatia before WWII that says 23 000 Jews lived here. The census after WWII says that 5 000 Jews lived here.
There are personal diaries of non-Jewish Croats, memoirs, where they're telling us how those Jews from the cities were taken from their homes, and no-one knew where. People are narating how their best friends, who happened to be Jewish, were taken one day and they never heard from them anymore. They were friends for 20 years and they never heard a word from them afterwards.
And not one guy, but many people wrote about this. They wrote what they saw, sometimes the same thing, sometimes not, but they all write about it.
There are video and audio files of the Croatian ministers (they were with the Nazi) saying how we must solve the Jewish question once and for all. They were using the same vocabulary Hitler and the Nazi were using.
There were concentration camps in Croatia. What for?

Actually, there are thousands of documents in the Croatian archives and libraries about the holocaust in Croatia. Original documents writen during WWII.
Do you seriously think that it was a Jewish conspiracy and all these documents are falsificates?

No Turk, more than 18 000 Croat Jews disappeared during WWII. We all have grandparents here who knew at least 10 of these Jews. They lived together with them and never heard from them anymore after they were taken.

If you really think that nothing happened to them and that only 30 000 Jews were killed during WWII, then this is the last from me here because i see no point in discussing it with you.

And that is a good justification for what they are doing in Gaza?

 

[Alen]

And that is a good justification for what they are doing in Gaza?

Silly question. Of course not, not at all.
Defending what Israel is doing to your people with the holocaust is disgusting. But it's just as disgusting as denying the holocaust.

If someone here tries to justify what the Israeli are doing to your people or if someone denies that the Israeli are really killing Palestinians, i will attack him just like i attacked those who try to justify the holocaust or to deny it.

 

[ReBeL]

seven IS neutral about islam. he just isn't a fan of religion. huge difference. seeing as how this conflict involves two religious groups i would have no reason to believe 7 is biased. if we are talking about muslims fighting western europe then you have a point

No comment.

 

[Snoop]

Silly question. Of course not, not at all.
Defending what Israel is doing to your people with the holocaust is disgusting. But it's just as disgusting as denying the holocaust.

If someone here tries to justify what the Israeli are doing to your people or if someone denies that the Israeli are really killing Palestinians, i will attack him just like i attacked those who try to justify the holocaust or to deny it.

It is also ugly to support Ottomans who did the mother of genocides, just because Turkey sympathized and stood with Palestine against Israel. well..

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

If you really think that nothing happened to them and that only 30 000 Jews were killed during WWII, then this is the last from me here because i see no point in discussing it with you.

i didn't say it was 30.000.number is higher than it but lower than 1 million.There is huge difference between that number and what they said(6 million)

i don't deny massacres but myths like gas chambers,making soap and numbers are fabricated.

 

[ReBeL]

It is also ugly to support Ottomans who did the mother of genocides, just because Turkey sympathized and stood with Palestine against Israel. well..

Ottomans were the best.

 

[Snoop]

way to go

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

No comment.

so i win

 

[Alen]

but myths like making soap are fabricated.

Well, this one certainly is.
The Jews admitted that this myth was fabricated by the Germans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses#cite_note-hutman-0

 

[CheSchifo!]

I am behind my words,there are good amount counter evidences about it too.you can find them with a little effort. but i will quit this argument about ''holocaust'' because i don't want to sound like a nazi.their mentality is against everything I believe.i can't defend their crimes.i can't be antisemitic too because my religion is against every racist movement.if you're a muslim you can't judge a human because of his race.

this is what i say

zionism is worse than nazism.zionism has a role in nazi actions.''holocaust'' is manipulated and used by them.
And yes their aim is world domination.

There isn't a good amount of counter evidence. In fact, there's no counter evidence whatsoever. You know what counter evidence would consist of? Proving that there is no evidence to prove the Holocaust. But there is. And a lot of it.

There is not a single Israeli out there who has justified the recent war by referring to the Holocaust by the way.

i think my chance is higher than 0% as both andries, you and me are talking about what we heard and read.we did not see what actually happened.

Perhaps, but Alen and I are talking about what others did see. You're talking about what some lunatic thinks happened.

I gave you one link
Its a site with some interesting statics and facts
whether its right or wrong ,you didn't even spend more than three min and came back to say its ridiculous
you didn't read a single word
i was just testing you BTW and you failed
so what is the point in giving you any other thing as long as u blindly believe in what u believe no matter what

so lets stop it here and turn to another issue
becaue its obvious now as Allen said
Its easier for you to convince your keyboard than convincing me

Because your site was utterly ridiculous. My site talks about the Nuremberg trials. The documents used there can be seen as credible, while yours can't. The simple truth is that you lie and I don't.

Alen, you can say whatever you want about the case because you are a historian that was confirmed to know what you are talking about many times in this forum and you never insulted Islam, but saying that Seven is neutral about Muslims is just stupid.

He waits for anything since he joined his forum to attack Islam and Muslims. He made fun of our prophet many times. I don't ask you to punish him because I don't really care about his penalty in a forum, but I can't keep silent when you say he is neutral regarding Islam.

And by the way, he is the most hypocrite creature I ever saw in this forum.

I am a historian. I don't care about what you say, but I have a diploma to prove it. That means that a lot of people think that I am qualified to talk about historic events as they assume that I have the potential to study them.

And why should I be punished? On basis of what?

What I don't understand though is how I am accused of siding with Jews. If I'm not a big fan of religion, then why would I pick judaism over islam? The only religion I could possibly like is catholicism, because most people in Belgium are catholics.

 

[tibike]

i didn't say it was 30.000.number is higher than it but lower than 1 million.There is huge difference between that number and what they said(6 million)

i don't deny massacres but myths like gas chambers,making soap and numbers are fabricated.

Polish Jews pre WWII: 3 million
Polish Jews post WWII: 300 thousand.

So Eastern European Jews make ca. 3 million of the 6 million mentioned maybe even more, and we haven't counted Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, and others.

 

[CheSchifo!]

Silly question. Of course not, not at all.
Defending what Israel is doing to your people with the holocaust is disgusting. But it's just as disgusting as denying the holocaust.

If someone here tries to justify what the Israeli are doing to your people or if someone denies that the Israeli are really killing Palestinians, i will attack him just like i attacked those who try to justify the holocaust or to deny it.

But no one denies that. What it comes down to is that they want us to hate Jews. And they might not say so, because of course that doesn't look acceptable, but they are using means of propaganda. If they show only one perspective of a conflict and fabricate an entire story around the Holocaust and how Jews have created and used it, they're more or less listing reasons for us to hate Jews.

And there's only one reason to do so. They want us to hate Jews too.

Because that's what this is really about, ReBeL.

 

[CheSchifo!]

Polish Jews pre WWII: 3 million
Polish Jews post WWII: 300 thousand.

So Eastern European Jews make ca. 3 million of the 6 million mentioned maybe even more, and we haven't counted Germany, France, Belgium, Holland, and others.

According to them they just vanished.

I am still waiting for them to give a logical explanation for the disappearing of millions of Jews by the way.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

There is not a single Israeli out there who has justified the recent war by referring to the Holocaust by the way.

if you're talking about recent massacre it should not be separated from what happened in 1947.yes, they justified killing palestinians and occupying their lands by referring holocaust.

 

[ReBeL]

I am a historian. I don't care about what you say, but I have a diploma to prove it. That means that a lot of people think that I am qualified to talk about historic events as they assume that I have the potential to study them.

And why should I be punished? On basis of what?

What I don't understand though is how I am accused of siding with Jews. If I'm not a big fan of religion, then why would I pick judaism over islam? The only religion I could possibly like is catholicism, because most people in Belgium are catholics.

If you have a diploma, that doesn't give you a direct right to talk about political events that you know anything about. Your diploma maybe about dinosaurs in Guatemala. That doesn't give you the right to make comparisons between the holocaust and the Palestinian case because simply you know very little about at least one of these events. Simply, you can shove your diploma somewhere under your back.

I didn't say you prefer Judism over Islam, but you fear Islam in Belgium because of some extremists in some city you keep mentioning in each topic. Briefly, if these extremists have done something to you when you were child, you have to have your revenge from them, not from all Muslims in the World.

 

[CheSchifo!]

if you're talking about recent massacre it should not be separated from what happened in 1947.yes, they justified killing palestinians and occupying their lands by referring holocaust.

So if I understand it correctly this is what you think really happened:

Theodor Herzl, who died in 1904, orchestrated WWII and the Holocaust, killing in total 72 million people (of which 30 000 Jews) to have the promised land of Israel.

 

[ReBeL]

According to them they just vanished.

I am still waiting for them to give a logical explanation for the disappearing of millions of Jews by the way.

They went to Palestine, smartass. You keep saying they vanished. What about those who appeared suddenly in Palestine. Aren't they the same creatures?

 

[CheSchifo!]

If you have a diploma, that doesn't give you a direct right to talk about political events that you know anything about. Your diploma maybe about dinosaurs in Guatemala. That doesn't give you the right to make comparisons between the holocaust and the Palestinian case because simply you know very little about at least one of these events. Simply, you can shove your diploma somewhere under your back.

I didn't say you prefer Judism over Islam, but you fear Islam in Belgium because of some extremists in some city you keep mentioning in each topic. Briefly, if these extremists have done something to you when you were child, you have to have your revenge from them, not from all Muslims in the World.

Those extremists have done nothing to me, but they have been harassing jews for quite some time now. And it's not "some".

I have a diploma about history. Not about dinosaurs in Guatemala. But if I did, we would assume that I would know something about dinosaurs in Guatemala. Just like I assume you know a lot about things that didn't happen.

 

[CheSchifo!]

They went to Palestine, smartass. You keep saying they vanished. What about those who appeared suddenly in Palestine. Aren't they the same creatures?

That's 1948.

What happened between 1940 and 1948?

They waited in some cave in Poland?

And what about all the jewish corpses found in camps?