Israeli-Palestinian conflict (60 Viewers)

[Enron]

Quoting myself because I forgot to add Israel to be emptied and declared part of UNESCO protected area also.

Oh, forgot to add that the Navajo Nation would probably get pissed too. Better to put one in North Dakota and the other in South Dakota. Lots of open ground, wilderness, not many cities. Very pretty though. Perfect.

 

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[Wings]

Oh, forgot to add that the Navajo Nation would probably get pissed too. Better to put one in North Dakota and the other in South Dakota. Lots of open ground, wilderness, not many cities. Very pretty though. Perfect.

Perfect! All we need is some catchy 5 second TikTok presentation to pitch our idea.

 

[Post Ironic]

Anyone else notice that all the “from the river to the sea” and “genocide” protestors and university campus occupiers suddenly disappeared after Trump won the election? Almost as if a lot of bad faith actors were involved, trying to sway people from voting Democrat because they “supported genocide” whereas Trump would be great. How’s that working out for the Palestinians now?

@Bjerknes

 

[icemaη]

Anyone else notice that all the “from the river to the sea” and “genocide” protestors and university campus occupiers suddenly disappeared after Trump won the election? Almost as if a lot of bad faith actors were involved, trying to sway people from voting Democrat because they “supported genocide” whereas Trump would be great. How’s that working out for the Palestinians now?

@Bjerknes

Yeah, a bunch of crisis actors the lot of them.

The protests were calling for ceasefire when the democrat president was sending arms to Israel, while Israel was bombing hospitals and schools. Please wait a few months before you rewrite history.

 

[Post Ironic]

Yeah, a bunch of crisis actors the lot of them.

The protests were calling for ceasefire when the democrat president was sending arms to Israel, while Israel was bombing hospitals and schools. Please wait a few months before you rewrite history.

Sorry, I wasn’t implying the lot of them were crisis actors. More so that there were quite a few bad faith actors involved in those protests and the funding of them and pushing them on socials. And also having them escalate. The right here in Canada and in the US was absolutely gleeful about the protests and the wedge it drove between democrats/liberals and a good part of their base. Anyways, just an observation and I could be wrong, but there were some very unscrupulous people that stood to gain a lot by helping to alienate part of the democrat voting base.

Regardless, Arab Americans and the younger progressives supporting the protests who chose to abstain from voting or vote Jill Stein/Trump are now seeing Trump say he supports the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza, his envoy talk about the Palestinians never being allowed back, his UN ambassador saying Israel has a biblical right to the West Bank, removing Biden’s sanctions on Israeli settlers, and those who protest who aren’t citizens of the US being threatened with deportation, etc.

There was a ceasefire negotiated by the Biden admin. But likely held up by Bibi to not give Biden/Harris that win pre-election because he knew a Trump presidency would give him whatever he wanted.

 

[icemaη]

Sorry, I wasn’t implying the lot of them were crisis actors. More so that there were quite a few bad faith actors involved in those protests and the funding of them and pushing them on socials. And also having them escalate. The right here in Canada and in the US was absolutely gleeful about the protests and the wedge it drove between democrats/liberals and a good part of their base. Anyways, just an observation and I could be wrong, but there were some very unscrupulous people that stood to gain a lot by helping to alienate part of the democrat voting base.

Regardless, Arab Americans and the younger progressives supporting the protests who chose to abstain from voting or vote Jill Stein/Trump are now seeing Trump say he supports the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza, his envoy talk about the Palestinians never being allowed back, his UN ambassador saying Israel has a biblical right to the West Bank, removing Biden’s sanctions on Israeli settlers, and those who protest who aren’t citizens of the US being deported, etc.

There was a ceasefire negotiated by the Biden admin. But likely held up by Bibi to not give Biden/Harris that win pre-election because he knew a Trump presidency would give him whatever he wanted.

I get why Arab Americans abstained or voted for Trump. Despite repeated attempts by local democratic leaders in Michigan Kamala Harris did not even give them the time of day, while Trump showed up (even if it was to make false promises). These are folks who most likely had family in Palestine or Lebanon being directly affected and all they most likely wanted was some kind of reassurance. Yet none came from Kamala, which was surprising to me because iirc just before Biden announced he was not going to stand for reelection, she did mention ceasefire in one of her speeches. But not after, not in any meaningful way that I remember. When your folks are being murdered you are voting with your heart and not your brain. Asking angry, grieving folks to look at the greater good is a stupid expectation.
The “allies” of the movement are a different category in my mind. They definitely should know and do better. Looking at the data post election, I don’t think their numbers would have made a difference anyways.
I wholeheartedly agree the Jill Stein voters are nuts though.
Biden really fucked up the whole Gaza war. The sad part is that any other US president would have done the same as well. Regardless of how regular Americans feel about the situation, the US government will continue to support Israel in all of its missions regardless of which party is in power.

 

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Anyone else notice that all the “from the river to the sea” and “genocide” protestors and university campus occupiers suddenly disappeared after Trump won the election? Almost as if a lot of bad faith actors were involved, trying to sway people from voting Democrat because they “supported genocide” whereas Trump would be great. How’s that working out for the Palestinians now?

@Bjerknes

probably because they are afraid of being prosecuted/ deported now? i don't buy this, anyone paying even slight attention would know Trump and the republicans were always going to be worse on israel

 

[JUVEMOOD]

Yes, you learn from history and maybe make analogies and comparisons.
Still, those thinking there will ever be peace in the Middle East..
If there is no more HAMAS, there will be SAMAH.. HASAM.. MASAH

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Kappa96 liking my comment.. thinking it is pro the zionists..
I just wanted to say here.. the zionist will never win this..
Today
A year from now
100 years from now
The fighting against this aggressor and oppression will never end.
Whether the freedom fighters are called ha mas.. mahas samah or whatever.


Trump pushing the deportation agenda.. lol
1- if 1 person accepted to be deported, they will labelled as a traitor to the Palestinian case by the people
2- if Jor or Egy leaders accepted, they will be labelled as traitors to the Palestinian case by all arab nations and people.
3- is there even a Gazan who said they will leave? How many are there of those...

Jordan already ready to declare war.. and this is music to Jordan people.. even when u think.. Jordan will never win this.. it just does not matter winning or losing this war to Jordanian\Palestinians..

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[Bjerknes]

Never liked his music but this isn’t bad

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[Mohad]

 

[BayernFan]

 

[Mohad]

It's like a snake eating itself.

 

[BayernFan]

It's like a snake eating itself.

"anti Palestinian hate and indoctrination that runs deep in Israel and pro-Israel communities in the US"

Is it really any different on the Palestinian side? Who are we trying to fool here? With that said, these Israelies are obviously nuts.

But it's not like the Palestinians don't have their own fair share of nutcases. Each side are lunatics in their own way, sadly those who want peace (be it both Israeli and Palestinians) are not heard.

 

[Bjerknes]

Damn. What a missed opportunity for all parties involved.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

"anti Palestinian hate and indoctrination that runs deep in Israel and pro-Israel communities in the US"

Is it really any different on the Palestinian side? Who are we trying to fool here? With that said, these Israelies are obviously nuts.

But it's not like the Palestinians don't have their own fair share of nutcases. Each side are lunatics in their own way, sadly those who want peace (be it both Israeli and Palestinians) are not heard.

Considering Israel now owns our government, yes I'd say it's very different.

 

[BayernFan]

Considering Israel now owns our government, yes I'd say it's very different.

You can't tell me the Muslims have any less hate for the Israelies as that Twitter is making it out to be. Everyone who follows this conflict knows that's an absurd take.

Big majority of Muslims would love nothing else than see Israel wiped of the map. Anyone who denies this is either deluded or lying.

I'm not saying the Israelies are not having a big number of fanatic nutjobs that shouldn't hold any kind of power, but look around in the neighbouring Arab countries. Is it any better? Life for an Arab Muslim in Israel will not be perfect, but wanna bet it's better than being a Jew in a Muslim country?

And why is it Israel is triggering so many Muslims worldwide? While condemning Israel and wanting it to be eradicated, they don't even realise they live in some of the worst countries themselves in terms of human rights, freedom of speech, homosexuality etc. And Islam is a big reason for this.

 

[Mohad]

My curiosity just betrayed me when I clicked 'show ignored content'

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

You can't tell me the Muslims have any less hate for the Israelies as that Twitter is making it out to be. Everyone who follows this conflict knows that's an absurd take.

Big majority of Muslims would love nothing else than see Israel wiped of the map. Anyone who denies this is either deluded or lying.

I'm not saying the Israelies are not having a big number of fanatic nutjobs that shouldn't hold any kind of power, but look around in the neighbouring Arab countries. Is it any better? Life for an Arab Muslim in Israel will not be perfect, but wanna bet it's better than being a Jew in a Muslim country?

And why is it Israel is triggering so many Muslims worldwide? While condemning Israel and wanting it to be eradicated, they don't even realise they live in some of the worst countries themselves in terms of human rights, freedom of speech, homosexuality etc. And Islam is a big reason for this.

"anti Palestinian hate and indoctrination that runs deep in Israel and pro-Israel communities in the US"

The "pro-Israel communities" in the US is the government of the United States and its moneyed interests.

Let me rephrase it, so there is no misunderstanding. The "pro-Israel communities" in the US hold sole power and influence. They'll take your job, they'll take your money, they'll even take your citizenship with this current slave administration. In other words, they're the only side that actually matters because they're the only side that can create consequences. They're about to ethnically cleanse Gaza for a fucking real estate project, how are you not seeing this yet? How could you see this and not hate the Israeli government?

Unless of course, you have other clear biases that you need to work through.

Oh, how's non-Hamas West Bank looking now? Remember discussing them previously?

 

[Mokku]

@BayernFan I get you hate the religion with a passion, but you've fallen into the trap of thinking that because they follow a religion, they should be killed or there would be a spread of evil or whatever. Its a very low level conclusion you've made.

1. There would be very few immigrants from the Middle East if it wasn't bombed to hell. Those who come bring with them only death and pain. They have nothing and it's a Western problem because of Western bombs dropping on them and interfering in their business. If you were to psychologically screen those coming to Germany and committing crime, you'd see that their motivations are not because of religion.

2. Israel's established itself years ago and it made itself a fortress. Love it or hate it, they have set themselves up. The hate we have is from their never ending persecution of Palestinians. No electricity, no water, kill Hamas producing women and future Hamas kids, hospitals, etc. Kill them before they kill us? Let's nuke Germany because once upon a time they started two World wars and are responsible for the greatest number of human deaths. People have forgiven Germany, but you follow the narrative that these Palestinians are sub human so they don't deserve life.

3. I wish you no harm ever and safety over your family, but unless you witness such things you'll never understand. Unfortunately, you give me Anders Breivik vibes with your coldness on the topic.

 

[BayernFan]

My curiosity just betrayed me when I clicked 'show ignored content'

Don't care + didn't ask. Now go back to your ignore so you can be in the comfort of your echo chamber.

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@BayernFan I get you hate the religion with a passion, but you've fallen into the trap of thinking that because they follow a religion, they should be killed or there would be a spread of evil or whatever. Its a very low level conclusion you've made.

1. There would be very few immigrants from the Middle East if it wasn't bombed to hell. Those who come bring with them only death and pain. They have nothing and it's a Western problem because of Western bombs dropping on them and interfering in their business. If you were to psychologically screen those coming to Germany and committing crime, you'd see that their motivations are not because of religion.

2. Israel's established itself years ago and it made itself a fortress. Love it or hate it, they have set themselves up. The hate we have is from their never ending persecution of Palestinians. No electricity, no water, kill Hamas producing women and future Hamas kids, hospitals, etc. Kill them before they kill us? Let's nuke Germany because once upon a time they started two World wars and are responsible for the greatest number of human deaths. People have forgiven Germany, but you follow the narrative that these Palestinians are sub human so they don't deserve life.

3. I wish you no harm ever and safety over your family, but unless you witness such things you'll never understand. Unfortunately, you give me Anders Breivik vibes with your coldness on the topic.

Let me try to adress your points the best way possible.

1. I do not hate the individual Muslim for being a Muslim. Why would I ever do that? Some of the kindest people I have met were in fact Muslims, I would never hate you or dislike you just because of your etnicity or religion if you're a good person. With that said, Islam as an ideology and religion is sadly not compatible with Western values, there's just no way around it. Does that mean all Muslims should be deported? Of course not. Most who's living here and are law abiding citizens, kind and hospitable people. But we need to adress the elephant in the room and I will acknowledge/admit the fact that I'm not fond of Islam and also religion as a whole.

You're free to have the religion and set of beliefs you want, but if you can't adhere to the rules and laws of the country you emigrated to then you shouldn't be here in the first place. I don't see why that's a big deal.

2. What came first, the hen or the egg? Many of the problems we see today between the Palestinians and Israelies are in fact caused by their Arab neighbours. Remember it was them who attacked or were hostile to Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. And why is it that no Arab nations really want to help the Palestinians? Whenever they took in the Palestinians they faced major issues in terms of security. Lebanon and Jordan had civil wars because of the Palestinians. Is that the fault of the Israelies also?

Because in fact your analogy regarding Germany makes more sense if we look at the Muslims/Arabs and their role in this conflict. Remember it was their fanatic and stubborn approach that caused most of these wars. Israel have showed it's willing to negotiate and got a long lasting peace with Egypt, Syria, Jordan etc.

3. The thing is I'm not here to be popular, but to give my point of view. You as an Arab/Muslim see things entirely different and that's fair enough and to some extend understandable. But that doesn't mean the rest of us are psychopaths or blood thirsty killers because we don't see it as solely and always from the narrative of Israel only bad, Palestine always good.

I wish you and your family the best also.