Israeli-Palestinian conflict (66 Viewers)
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As a pure logical exercise, How about Hamas chose to use schools, hospitals and refugee camps as cover knowing it doesn't deter Israel from striking them? Choice here is not one sided as you pretend it is.
"Facts" without context are just word arranged in a santance. Schools, hospitals and refugee camps have no independent value.
Civilian deaths do have value, Hamas using those places show they value thier own civilian lives even less then Israel. It seems you value them only when killed by Israel.
"Facts" without context are just word arranged in a santance. Schools, hospitals and refugee camps have no independent value.
Civilian deaths do have value, Hamas using those places show they value thier own civilian lives even less then Israel. It seems you value them only when killed by Israel.
You're deflecting. Even if Hamas would use civilians as cover, that does not justify Israel bombing the entire place. It just makes Hamas guilty as well. And I have never defended Hamas.
But, perhaps more importantly, how many civilians have died v Hamas members? Because Israel is willing to sacrifice an awful lot of civilians for the off chance one Hamas member might be among them.
But, perhaps more importantly, how many civilians have died v Hamas members? Because Israel is willing to sacrifice an awful lot of civilians for the off chance one Hamas member might be among them.
Im not deflecting, Im mirroring. And even if? wth is wrong with you? How far from reality are you willing to go to justify your stand? Even if lol.
On the off chance? Not even close to reality.
And throwing a token Hamas is guilty as well is not remotely balanced or worse, its morally corrupt.
Not defending Hamas is far from demanding from them what you demand of us, your kind are enabling them to keep going, stroking your sense of mortality, at the expanse of ordinary Palestinians lives.
They are much more guilty no matter how harshly you want to judge Israel's reaction.
They started this and no mental gymnastics will erase that.
They can stop all of this in an instant but did you once asked for that? No, you just want Israel to stop, this will happen again somewhere down the road if we don't ends this. But its not your children.
Where are the rallies in the west for Hamas to disband? Were are your cries for Hamas to disarm, release the hostages and leave gazans alone?
Non of it, you have no dog in this fight, just appeasing your sense of mortality.
I do find it tragic, and I do hurt having civilians killed in mess. Don't need anyone here to believe it. I do.
And with that the only way this ends and people stop dying in gaza is if we achieve our goals, I do believe it with all my heart, this is what allows me to be a part of this, in somewhat good enough conscience.
As long as Hamas are there this will never end. This is why this criticism from westerners doesn't bother me. I see this as a necessary evil, and Im not denying it is, we just don't have the luxury to put amorphic morals over our future.
On the off chance? Not even close to reality.
And throwing a token Hamas is guilty as well is not remotely balanced or worse, its morally corrupt.
Not defending Hamas is far from demanding from them what you demand of us, your kind are enabling them to keep going, stroking your sense of mortality, at the expanse of ordinary Palestinians lives.
They are much more guilty no matter how harshly you want to judge Israel's reaction.
They started this and no mental gymnastics will erase that.
They can stop all of this in an instant but did you once asked for that? No, you just want Israel to stop, this will happen again somewhere down the road if we don't ends this. But its not your children.
Where are the rallies in the west for Hamas to disband? Were are your cries for Hamas to disarm, release the hostages and leave gazans alone?
Non of it, you have no dog in this fight, just appeasing your sense of mortality.
I do find it tragic, and I do hurt having civilians killed in mess. Don't need anyone here to believe it. I do.
And with that the only way this ends and people stop dying in gaza is if we achieve our goals, I do believe it with all my heart, this is what allows me to be a part of this, in somewhat good enough conscience.
As long as Hamas are there this will never end. This is why this criticism from westerners doesn't bother me. I see this as a necessary evil, and Im not denying it is, we just don't have the luxury to put amorphic morals over our future.
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You can sell this artificial separation of Hamas and the Palestinians people to westrenes, not me.
Hamas are not some aliens who came down from mars and took over. They are a product of Palestinian society, culture and education. Not discounting Israeli responsibility as well, we do cary some of the blame for the conditions that allowed this.
But people have responsibility for thier government or leadership actions, same as we Israelis carry responsibility for ours. This effort to separate the two is artificial, obvious and convenient.
On October 7th half of the participants in the massacre were ordinary, non affiliated Palestinian, who murdered, raped and burned women and child. Support for Hamas went up in the west bank after the 7th, this is the uncomfortable reality.
Hamas are not some aliens who came down from mars and took over. They are a product of Palestinian society, culture and education. Not discounting Israeli responsibility as well, we do cary some of the blame for the conditions that allowed this.
But people have responsibility for thier government or leadership actions, same as we Israelis carry responsibility for ours. This effort to separate the two is artificial, obvious and convenient.
On October 7th half of the participants in the massacre were ordinary, non affiliated Palestinian, who murdered, raped and burned women and child. Support for Hamas went up in the west bank after the 7th, this is the uncomfortable reality.
The term "human shields" was being used even before Hamas was formed, and it's been a political and military excuse to justify using excessive and unfair force on civilians.
In my post I was referring to the videos and claims we hear from the IDF about schools and hospitals, but so far, we haven’t seen any solid proof to back those claims.
In my post I was referring to the videos and claims we hear from the IDF about schools and hospitals, but so far, we haven’t seen any solid proof to back those claims.
Hamas’ funding is largely coming from Iran, which is not really oppressed by Israel (at least not until now). How would that fit in the narrative of oppression? Iranian religions fanatics using Palestinian flesh and blood as tools of their silly proxy war against Israel doesn’t bother you?
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Is that bolded line a justification for having no red lines? If eliminating Hamas means killing every Palestinian in Gaza would you support that in good conscience?
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Is that bolded line a justification for having no red lines? If eliminating Hamas means killing every Palestinian in Gaza would you support that in good conscience?
What was 7th October? Show of love? Hizbulla terror attacks? Bombing buses and restaurants? That didn't create more hatred and bloodthirsty Israelis? Take a look in the mirror for once, it goes both ways.
Anyway, stop playing innocence. We aren't innocent ,sure as hell the arabs around us aren't as well, not in 48 not before or since.
Anyway, stop playing innocence. We aren't innocent ,sure as hell the arabs around us aren't as well, not in 48 not before or since.