Israeli-Palestinian conflict (56 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
People have such a simplistic view of geopolitics.

Israel isn't a rogue state like everyone here conveniently believe, its just doing the dirty work for the anti-shia axis coalition. No other country want to take the heat for what must be done. Its all virtue signalling.

This is not a war on Lebanon or Lebanese people lol, we have nothing against them. its a war on international terror organisation that hijacked a whole country and destroyed it from within, butchered tens of thousands Syrians for an evil dictator and then attacked another sovereign country right after Oct 7th. That fact that attacking such an evil entity is even in need to be defended show the absurdity of modern sensitivity and morality. Israel is not doing it for altruistic reasons, sure, but its far from uncalled for.

All of this is backed by the Saudis, the Emirates, Jordan, the US, France, Egypt and Lebanon itself to an extent. Its in everyone interest to kick the Shia axis out of the region and destroy Hizzbulla.

Why is it more likely that a tiny country like Israel is manipulating world super powers to act against thier own interests then the simple alternative that its actions are inline with thiers?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
People have such a simplistic view of geopolitics.

Israel isn't a rogue state like everyone here conveniently believe, its just doing the dirty work for the anti-shia axis coalition. No other country want to take the heat for what must be done. Its all virtue signalling.

This is not a war on Lebanon or Lebanese people lol, we have nothing against them. its a war on international terror organisation that hijacked a whole country and destroyed it from within, butchered tens of thousands Syrians for an evil dictator and then attacked another sovereign country right after Oct 7th. That fact that attacking such an evil entity is even in need to be defended show the absurdity of modern sensitivity and morality. Israel is not doing it for altruistic reasons, sure, but its far from uncalled for.

All of this is backed by the Saudis, the Emirates, Jordan, the US, France, Egypt and Lebanon itself to an extent. Its in everyone interest to kick the Shia axis out of the region and destroy Hizzbulla.

Why is it more likely that a tiny country like Israel is manipulating world super powers to act against thier own interests then the simple alternative that its actions are inline with thiers?
This is not a particularly compelling moral argument.

Basically you're saying that what Israel is doing might be horrible, but as the world's super powers profit from it they won't stop Israel.

How does that absolve Israel?
 

Fab Fragment

Senior Member
Dec 22, 2018
3,868
People have such a simplistic view of geopolitics.

Israel isn't a rogue state like everyone here conveniently believe, its just doing the dirty work for the anti-shia axis coalition. No other country want to take the heat for what must be done. Its all virtue signalling.

This is not a war on Lebanon or Lebanese people lol, we have nothing against them. its a war on international terror organisation that hijacked a whole country and destroyed it from within, butchered tens of thousands Syrians for an evil dictator and then attacked another sovereign country right after Oct 7th. That fact that attacking such an evil entity is even in need to be defended show the absurdity of modern sensitivity and morality. Israel is not doing it for altruistic reasons, sure, but its far from uncalled for.

All of this is backed by the Saudis, the Emirates, Jordan, the US, France, Egypt and Lebanon itself to an extent. Its in everyone interest to kick the Shia axis out of the region and destroy Hizzbulla.

Why is it more likely that a tiny country like Israel is manipulating world super powers to act against thier own interests then the simple alternative that its actions are inline with thiers?
Incredibly shameless statement.
So doing someone else's dirty work allows you to drop 2000 lb bombs, kill and maim women and children, sodomize prisoners and the list goes on and on.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
This is not a particularly compelling moral argument.

Basically you're saying that what Israel is doing might be horrible, but as the world's super powers profit from it they won't stop Israel.

How does that absolve Israel?
Im not making a moral argument, moral has no place in geopolitics. Countries don't act on morals.

Horrible or not, every war or conflict is horrible by nature. But the point was that Israel is not merely not stoped, its that its action are in full cooperation and support of it's allies.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,170
Im not making a moral argument, moral has no place in geopolitics. Countries don't act on morals.

Horrible or not, every war or conflict is horrible by nature. But the point was that Israel is not merely not stoped, its that its action are in full cooperation and support of it's allies.
And this makes Israel's behaviour better, how?
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
And this makes Israel's behaviour better, how?
Israel actions in Lebanon are 100% justified imo, this was brewing for a decade now and came to a boil in the last year.

Im more then willing to debate Israeli justification or "behaviour" in the conflict in gaza but Lebanon issue is entirely different beast. No country would tolerate the situation in northern Israel.

Israel actions in lebanon are part of an alliance against the Iranian-russian-chinese axis, and are inevitable imo. You are entitled to pick whichever side you want or not pick any, but this need to be resolved either way.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
20,598
People have such a simplistic view of geopolitics.

Israel isn't a rogue state like everyone here conveniently believe, its just doing the dirty work for the anti-shia axis coalition. No other country want to take the heat for what must be done. Its all virtue signalling.

This is not a war on Lebanon or Lebanese people lol, we have nothing against them. its a war on international terror organisation that hijacked a whole country and destroyed it from within, butchered tens of thousands Syrians for an evil dictator and then attacked another sovereign country right after Oct 7th. That fact that attacking such an evil entity is even in need to be defended show the absurdity of modern sensitivity and morality. Israel is not doing it for altruistic reasons, sure, but its far from uncalled for.

All of this is backed by the Saudis, the Emirates, Jordan, the US, France, Egypt and Lebanon itself to an extent. Its in everyone interest to kick the Shia axis out of the region and destroy Hizzbulla.

Why is it more likely that a tiny country like Israel is manipulating world super powers to act against thier own interests then the simple alternative that its actions are inline with thiers?
I hate Hezbollah as much as anybody, but what’s the red line in taking out their leaders in terms of civilian casualties?
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
I hate Hezbollah as much as anybody, but what’s the red line in taking out their leaders in terms of civilian casualties?
I cant give an answer I will be completely comfortable with.

On one hand there must be a red line, on the other hand can they be afforded a complete immunity just for hiding within civilian population? I cant find an easy answer.
 

Ronn

#TeamPestoFlies
May 3, 2012
20,598
I cant give an answer I will be completely comfortable with.

On one hand there must be a red line, on the other hand can they be afforded a complete immunity just for hiding within civilian population? I cant find an easy answer.
I said this in reference to Nasrallah assassination, and 85 bunker booster bombs in a densely populated neighborhood. I feel that should be a red line.
And you probably can guess that I’m very happy that he’s gone.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,474
It was in process over a week ago (and long before) - that was the point of the pagers/electronic supply chain attack and follow on bombings

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https://www.axios.com/2024/10/01/iran-missile-attack-israel

lol here we go
It was such a crippling and well-planned attack that I honestly thought that was the end of it for a while.

Imo, Israel are making it worse for themselves long-term by killing Nasrallah and now a ground invasion. It's just going to create a power vacuum and a vengeful population.
 

Siamak

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Aug 13, 2013
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It was such a crippling and well-planned attack that I honestly thought that was the end of it for a while.

Imo, Israel are making it worse for themselves long-term by killing Nasrallah and now a ground invasion. It's just going to create a power vacuum and a vengeful population.
They have already worked on the story, hundreds rockets will be sent, cattle ranches and stables will be targeted in nearby and rural regions and then the show will be concluded with a statement.
 

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