Israeli-Palestinian conflict (29 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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Azzurri7

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Not enough, I say.

Kill them all, from both sides.

End this farce.
What If one of those victims was one of your relatives? Or let me make it more simple what if one of those victims was or going to be your Sister/Mum??

You'd still think they should die?
 
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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    thats the nice version of the truth to be honest abed. Mohamed Hassanein Heikal put it straight out when he was interviewed earlier this week on al jazeerah. it was shocking to see him that angry considering he rarely gets emotional. i do agree with alot of what is mentioned here and i also agree with what he said about egypt's strategic impotence in handling this issue. its no secret the goverment here has fears about hamas the same way loads of countries had fears during the nasser era.

    good post rebel.:tup:
    The biggest loss will be if Abbas's reign is extended. That way, the West Bank will become just as bad as the rest of the Arab countries where you can't take a piss without permission from the president. IOW, opression at its finest. Moreover, Unifel will be responsible for peace in Gaza just like in South Lebanon, thus ensuring no rockets are thrown at Israel but at the same time Israel can violate whenever they want and get away with it like always. Hamas will have two options, either to give up its military wing and become a totally political party and Egypt will rule Gaza then or else the siege will slowly kill the soul of resistence.

    I don't like to sound pessimistic but that's where things are heading, IMO.
    Unfortunately
    All the Arabic Gov. became slaves and the oil they have is not a weapon in their hands when it should be but its a good to trade to secure their chairs

    None of them is an elected Gov. like the rest of the world
    and the USA is fully supporting them despite the fact that none of them is a democratic (elected one)
    A punch of presidents surrounded by mercenaries
    They only care about their chairs, palaces, exotic cars and whores
    and we don't expect them to give up all what have been mentioned above just to support hammas and loose their full support they r getting from USA
    A support to stay neutral, quite, slaves
    A support against their own PPL
    And the armies they have are always their to protect their existence against their own PPL and not for anything else

    As an Arabic and Muslim
    I am not blaming any one for what is happening in Palestine or Iraq or Afghanistan but ourselves
    When the western world shows its support and sympathy to Israel it reflects their interests and opinions and they are free to do so
    Its our problem and no one will solve it for us
    we should blame ourselves in the first and last place
    Very well said IMO.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Today, UNRWA resumed its work to distribute aids to people in Gaza. In the same time, Israeli embassador said that UNRWA employees belong to Hamas, and that they distribute the aids only to those who support Hamas.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Here is a part of the documentary program "Occupation 101" which got the award of the best documentary before around 1 year in many associations in USA. You can see the little girl who is talking about burning her house by Israelis:


    This video doesn't contain horrible scenes by the way.
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    A very interesting read:

    Hamas and the Arab States


    Israel is now in the 12th day of carrying out Operation Cast Lead against the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas in the Gaza Strip, where Hamas has been the de facto ruler ever since it seized control of the territory in a June 2007 coup. The Israeli campaign, whose primary military aim is to neutralize Hamas’ ability to carry out rocket attacks against Israel, has led to the reported deaths of more than 560 Palestinians; the number of wounded is approaching the 3,000 mark.

    The reaction from the Arab world has been mixed. On the one hand, a look at the so-called Arab street will reveal an angry scene of chanting protesters, burning flags and embassy attacks in protest of Israel’s actions. The principal Arab regimes, however, have either kept quiet or publicly condemned Hamas for the crisis — while privately often expressing their support for Israel’s bid to weaken the radical Palestinian group.

    Despite the much-hyped Arab nationalist solidarity often cited in the name of Palestine, most Arab regimes actually have little love for the Palestinians. While these countries like keeping the Palestinian issue alive for domestic consumption and as a tool to pressure Israel and the West when the need arises, in actuality, they tend to view Palestinian refugees — and more Palestinian radical groups like Hamas — as a threat to the stability of their regimes.

    One such Arab country is Saudi Arabia. Given its financial power and its shared religious underpinnings with Hamas, Riyadh traditionally has backed the radical Palestinian group. The kingdom backed a variety of Islamist political forces during the 1960s and 1970s in a bid to undercut secular Nasserite Arab nationalist forces, which threatened Saudi Arabia’s regional status. But 9/11, which stemmed in part from Saudi support for the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, opened Riyadh’s eyes to the danger of supporting militant Islamism.

    Thus, while Saudi Arabia continued to support many of the same Palestinian groups, it also started whistling a more moderate tune in its domestic and foreign policies. As part of this moderate drive, in 2002 King Abdullah offered Israel a comprehensive peace treaty whereby Arab states would normalize ties with the Jewish state in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal to its 1967 borders. Though Israel rejected the offer, the proposal itself clearly conflicted with Hamas’ manifesto, which calls for Israel’s destruction. The post-9/11 world also created new problems for one of Hamas’ sources of regular funding — wealthy Gulf Arabs — who grew increasingly wary of turning up on the radars of Western security and intelligence agencies as fund transfers from the Gulf came under closer scrutiny.

    Meanwhile, Egypt, which regularly mediates Hamas-Israel and Hamas-Fatah matters, thus far has been the most vocal in its opposition to Hamas during the latest Israeli military offensive. Cairo has even gone as far as blaming Hamas for provoking the conflict. Though Egypt’s stance has earned it a number of attacks on its embassies in the Arab world and condemnations in major Arab editorial pages, Cairo has a core strategic interest in ensuring that Hamas remains boxed in. The secular government of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak is already preparing for a shaky leadership transition, which is bound to be exploited by the country’s largest opposition movement, the Muslim Brotherhood (MB).

    The MB, from which Hamas emerged, maintains links with the Hamas leadership. Egypt’s powerful security apparatus has kept the MB in check, but the Egyptian group has steadily built up support among Egypt’s lower and middle classes, which have grown disillusioned with the soaring rate of unemployment and lack of economic prospects in Egypt. The sight of Muslim Brotherhood activists leading protests in Egypt in the name of Hamas is thus quite disconcerting for the Mubarak regime. The Egyptians also are fearful that Gaza could become a haven for Salafist jihadist groups that could collaborate with Egypt’s own jihadist node the longer Gaza remains in disarray under Hamas rule.

    Of the Arab states, Jordan has the most to lose from a group like Hamas. More than three-fourths of the Hashemite monarchy’s people claim Palestinian origins. The kingdom itself is a weak, poor state that historically has relied on the United Kingdom, Israel and the United States for its survival. Among all Arab governments, Amman has had the longest and closest relationship with Israel — even before it concluded a formal peace treaty with Israel in 1994. In 1970, Jordan waged war against Fatah when the group posed a threat to the kingdom’s security; it also threw out Hamas in 1999 after fears that the group posed a similar threat to the stability of the kingdom. Like Egypt, Jordan also has a vibrant MB, which has closer ties to Hamas than its Egyptian counterpart. As far as Amman is concerned, therefore, the harder Israel hits Hamas, the better.

    Finally, Syria is in a more complex position than these other four Arab states. The Alawite-Baathist regime in Syria has long been a pariah in the Arab world because of its support for Shiite Iran and for their mutual militant proxy in Lebanon, Hezbollah. But ever since the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah, the Syrians have been charting a different course, looking for ways to break free from diplomatic isolation and to reach some sort of understanding with the Israelis.

    For the Syrians, support for Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and several other radical Palestinian outfits provides tools of leverage to use in negotiating a settlement with Israel. Any deal between the Syrians and the Israelis would thus involve Damascus sacrificing militant proxies such as Hezbollah and Hamas in return for key concessions in Lebanon — where Syria’s core geopolitical interests lie — and in the disputed Golan Heights. While the Israeli-Syrian peace talks remain in flux, Syria’s lukewarm reaction to the Israeli offensive and restraint (thus far) from criticizing the more moderate Arab regimes’ lack of response suggests Damascus may be looking to exploit the Gaza offensive to improve its relations in the Arab world and reinvigorate its talks with Israel. And the more damage Israel does to Hamas now, the easier it will be for Damascus to crack down on Hamas should the need arise.

    With Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Syria taking into account their own interests when dealing with the Palestinians, ironically, the most reliable patron Sunni Hamas has had in recent years is Iran, the Sunni Arab world’s principal Shiite rival. Several key developments have made Hamas’ gradual shift toward Iran possible:

    1. Saudi Arabia’s post-9/11 move into the moderate camp — previously dominated by Egypt and Jordan, two states that have diplomatic relations with Israel.
    2. The collapse of Baathist Iraq and the resulting rise of Shiite power in the region.
    3. The 2004 Iranian parliamentary elections that put Iran’s ultraconservatives in power and the 2005 election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose public anti-Israeli views resonated with Hamas at a time when other Arab states had grown more moderate.
    4. The 2006 Palestinian elections, in which Hamas defeated its secular rival, Fatah, by a landslide. When endowed with the responsibility of running an unrecognized government, Hamas floundered between its goals of dominating the Palestinian political landscape and continuing to call for the destruction of Israel and the creation of an Islamist state. The Arab states, particularly Saudi Arabia and Egypt, had hoped that the electoral victory would lead Hamas to moderate its stance, but Iran encouraged Hamas to adhere to its radical agenda. As the West increasingly isolated the Hamas-led government, the group shifted more toward the Iranian position, which more closely meshed with its original mandate.
    5. The 2006 summer military confrontation between Hezbollah and Israel, in which Iranian-backed Hezbollah symbolically defeated the Jewish state. Hezbollah’s ability to withstand the Israeli military onslaught gave confidence to Hamas that it could emulate the Lebanese Shiite movement — which, like Hamas, was both a political party and an armed paramilitary organization. Similar to their reaction to the current Gaza offensive, the principal Arab states condemned Hezbollah for provoking Israel and grew terrified at the outpouring of support for the Shiite militant group from their own populations. Hezbollah-Hamas collaboration in training, arms-procurement and funding intensified, and almost certainly has played a decisive role in equipping Hamas with 122mm BM-21 Grad artillery rockets and larger Iranian-made 240mm Fajr-3 rockets — and potentially even a modest anti-armor capability.
    6. The June 2007 Hamas coup against Fatah in the Gaza Strip, which caused a serious strain in relations between Egypt and Hamas. The resulting blockade on Gaza put Egypt in an extremely uncomfortable position, in which it had to crack down on the Gaza border, thus giving the MB an excuse to rally opposition against Cairo. Egypt was already uncomfortable with Hamas’ electoral victory, but it could not tolerate the group’s emergence as the unchallenged power in Gaza.
    7. Syria’s decision to go public with peace talks with Israel. As soon as it became clear that Syria was getting serious about such negotiations, alarm bells went off within groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, which now had to deal with the fear that Damascus could sell them out at any time as part of a deal with the Israelis.

    Hamas’ relations with the Arab states already were souring; its warming relationship with Iran has proved the coup de grace. Mubarak said it best when he recently remarked that the situation in the Gaza Strip “has led to Egypt, in practice, having a border with Iran.” In other words, Hamas has allowed Iranian influence to come far too close for the Arab states’ comfort.

    In many ways, the falling-out between Hamas and the Arab regimes is not surprising. The decline of Nasserism in the late 1960s essentially meant the death of Arab nationalism. Even before then, the Arab states put their respective national interests ahead of any devotion to pan-Arab nationalism that would have translated into support for the Palestinian cause. As Islamism gradually came to replace Arab nationalism as a political force throughout the region, the Arab regimes became even more concerned about stability at home, given the very real threat of a religious challenge to their rule. While these states worked to suppress radical Islamist elements that had taken root in their countries, the Arab governments caught wind of Tehran’s attempts to adopt the region’s radical Islamist trend to create a geopolitical space for Iran in the Arab Middle East. As a result, the Arab-Persian struggle became one of the key drivers that has turned the Arab states against Hamas.

    For each of these Arab states, Hamas represents a force that could stir the social pot at home — either by creating a backlash against the regimes for their ties to Israel and their perceived failure to aid the Palestinians, or by emboldening democratic Islamist movements in the region that could threaten the stability of both republican regimes and monarchies. With somewhat limited options to contain Iranian expansion in the region, the Arab states ironically are looking to Israel to ensure that Hamas remains boxed in. So, while on the surface it may seem that the entire Arab world is convulsing with anger at Israel’s offensive against Hamas, a closer look reveals that the view from the Arab palace is quite different from the view on the Arab street.

    By Kamran Bokhari and Reva Bhalla
    except for the part about Hezbollah symbolically defeating the Jews, this is pretty accurate
     

    Vinman

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    Israel Warns Gaza to Brace for Escalation
    By IBRAHIM BARZAK and CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, AP

    (Jan. 10) -- Israel dropped bombs and leaflets on Gaza Saturday, pounding suspected rocket sites and tunnels used by Hamas militants and warning of a wider offensive despite frantic diplomacy to end the bloodshed.

    Egypt hosted talks aimed at defusing the crisis, but war had the momentum on a bloody day on which more than 30 Palestinians, many of them noncombatants, were killed.

    At hospitals, distraught relatives — men in jeans and jackets and women in black Islamic robes — sobbed and shrieked at the loss of family. Flames and smoke rose over Gaza City amid heavy fighting.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas predicted a "waterfall of blood" unless all parties adhere to a U.N. call for a cease-fire. But Israel has said the Security Council resolution passed Thursday was unworkable, and Hamas, the Islamic group whose government controls Gaza but is not recognized internationally, was angry that it was not consulted.

    A top Hamas leader said the Gaza war has killed the last chance for settlement and negotiations with Israel.

    Damascus-based Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal condemned Israel's attack on the Gaza Strip as a "holocaust" in a fiery speech broadcast on the Arabic news channel Al-Jazeera. Still, Hamas teams were in Cairo to negotiate over an Egyptian-proposed cease-fire.

    At least 814 Palestinians, roughly half of them civilians, have died since war broke out on Dec. 27, according to Palestinian medical officials. Thirteen Israelis, including 10 soldiers, have been killed.

    Weary Palestinians watched from apartment windows as thousands of leaflets fluttered from aircraft with a blunt warning: Israeli forces will step up operations against Islamic militants who have unleashed a daily barrage of rocket fire on southern Israeli towns.

    "The IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only," the leaflets said in Arabic. "Stay safe by following our orders."

    The leaflets urged Gaza residents not to help Hamas and to stay away from its members.
    There was no immediate sign of an escalation, though earlier in the day, witnesses said Israeli troops moved to within one mile of Gaza City before pulling back slightly.

    Israeli defense officials say they are prepared for a third stage of their offensive, in which ground troops would push further into Gaza, but are waiting for approval from the government.

    The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing classified information, said the army also has a fourth stage planned that calls for a full reoccupation of Gaza and toppling of Hamas.

    The leaflets reflected Israeli efforts to cast Hamas as the source of the conflict that has brought additional misery to Gaza's 1.4 million people, who live in poverty in the densely inhabited shard of land along the Mediterranean. Israel hopes the suffering will erode support for Hamas, which won 2006 elections and engineered a violent takeover of Gaza in June 2007, overrunning the forces of its Palestinian rival Fatah.

    For now, though, the fury of the Israeli onslaught has deepened bitterness toward Israel among trapped Gaza residents. Traffic through border crossings with Egypt and Israel is heavily restricted, and many Gazans survive on international handouts or goods smuggled through tunnels that are also used by Hamas to bring in weapons.

    Israel launched the offensive on Dec. 27 after years of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, and has attributed many civilian casualties in the past two weeks to Hamas's alleged use of civilian areas as hiding places and staging grounds for attacks.

    On Jan. 3, Israeli ground troops moved into Gaza, but they have largely avoided deployment in built-up areas where they would be more vulnerable to hit-and-run assaults. Israel holds elections in one month, and its leaders know staunch support for the military campaign could dwindle if the forces take heavy casualties.

    Hamas fighters launched 15 rockets at southern Israel in a daily ritual that has severely disrupted life for hundreds of thousands of civilians. Three Israelis were injured in the city of Ashkelon.

    The Israeli military said aircraft attacked more than 40 Hamas targets including 10 rocket-launching sites, weapons-storage facilities, smuggling tunnels, an anti-aircraft missile launcher and gunmen. At least 15 militants were killed, it said.
    In the day's bloodiest incident, an Israeli tank shell killed nine people in a garden outside a home in the northern Gaza town of Jebaliya, said Adham el-Hakim, administrator of Kamal Adwan hospital. The nine were from the same clan and included two children and two women.

    The Israeli military, however, said its forces did not carry out attacks in that area on Saturday.

    Struggling to keep peace efforts alive, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and Abbas urged Israel and Hamas to agree to a truce. After meeting Mubarak, Abbas warned there was no time to waste in ending the bloodshed in Gaza.
    "If any party does not accept it (the truce), regrettably it will be the one bearing the responsibility. And if Israel doesn't want to accept, it will take the responsibility of perpetuating a waterfall of blood," Abbas said.
    Hamas and Abbas's Fatah party, which dominates the West Bank, are fierce political rivals.

    Hamas officials from both Gaza and Syria are also in Cairo for separate talks with Egyptian officials on a truce. Israeli officials were in Cairo earlier this week.
    U.S. President George W. Bush spoke by telephone to President Abdullah Gul of Turkey, which is involved in Mideast peace efforts, about the situation in Gaza, said a spokesman for the National Security Council in Washington.

    "President Bush emphasized the importance of bringing an end to rocket fire against Israel and preventing arms smuggling into Gaza as the basis for a durable cease-fire," spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, on a peace mission to the region, visited the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt and saw a fireball from a large detonation in Gaza. He felt the pressure from the blast, which caused windows to rattle.

    "We are standing here while the fighting is still on back there," said Steinmeier, who later traveled to Israel. "It is right and correct to be concerned about the injured and the dead, but the European foreign ministers must do more so that words can be turned into deeds."

    The United Nations estimates two-thirds of Gaza's 1.4 million people now lack electricity, and half don't have running water.

    The Israeli military announced a three-hour halt to operations in Gaza on Saturday to let medics use the lull to rescue casualties and aid groups to rush through food distribution.

    But for the second straight day, fighting continued even during the lull.
    Israel has called for the three-hour breaks in fighting for the past four days. But aid groups say it isn't enough time to do their work.

    All deliveries were coming from supplies already in Gaza. U.N. officials said a halt on aid shipments into Gaza through Israeli-controlled border crossings remained in effect.

    The ban was imposed Thursday after the U.N. said two of its contractors in a truck were shot and killed by Israel. The Israeli military said Saturday that its own investigation concluded that its soldiers were not involved.
    Also Saturday, tens of thousands of people demonstrated in European cities and Lebanon, shouting protests against the Israeli offensive in Gaza.


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    I dont remember too many wars where the opposing forces dropped leaflets warning the citizens of an impending attack....I think the whole genocide theory here is pretty far fetched

    "A top Hamas leader said the Gaza war has killed the last chance for settlement and negotiations with Israel"...are you kidding me ?? They NEVER wanted to negotiate with Israel in the first place on any issues, and were never going to accept them as a nation either, so what he's saying is pure, bonafied bullshit !!
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    a differing opinion-

    Israel must end Hamas rule
    Charles Krauthammer
    Washington Post Writers Group

    WASHINGTON — Israel’s leaders have purposely obscured their war aims in Gaza. But there are only two possible endgames: (A) a Lebanon-like cessation of hostilities to be supervised by international observers, or (B) the disintegration of Hamas rule in Gaza.

    Under tremendous international pressure — including from an increasingly wobbly U. S. State Department — the government of Ehud Olmert has begun hinting that it is receptive to a French-Egyptian cease-fire plan, essentially acquiescing to Endgame A.

    That would be a terrible mistake.

    It would fail on its own terms. It would have the same elements as the phony peace in Lebanon: an international force that abjures any meaningful use of force, an arms embargo under which arms will most assuredly flood in, and a cessation of hostilities until the terrorist side is rearmed and ready to initiate the next round of hostilities.

    The U. N.-mandated disarmament of Hezbollah in Lebanon is a well-known farce. Not only have foreign forces not stopped Hezbollah’s massive rearmament, their very presence makes it impossible for Israel to take any preventive military action, lest it accidentally hit a blue-helmeted Belgian crossing guard.

    The “international community” is now pushing very hard for a replay in Gaza of that charade. Does anyone imagine international monitors will risk their lives to prevent weapons smuggling? To arrest terrorists? To engage in shootouts with rocket-launching teams attacking Israeli civilians across the Gaza border? Of course not. Weapons will continue to be smuggled. Deeper and more secure fortifications will be built for the next round. Mosques, schools and hospitals will again be used for weapons storage and terrorist safe havens. Do you think French “peacekeepers” are going to raid them?

    Which is why the only acceptable outcome of this war, both for Israel and for the civilized world, is Endgame B: the disintegration of Hamas rule. It is already under way.

    This is not about killing every last Hamas gunman. Not possible, not necessary. Regimes rule not by physically overpowering every person in their domain, but by getting the majority to accept their authority. That is what sustains Hamas, and that is what is now under massive assault.

    Hamas’ leadership is not only seriously degraded but openly humiliated. The great warriors urging others to martyrdom are cowering underground almost entirely incommunicado. Demonstrably unable to protect their own people, they beg for outside help, receiving in return nothing but words from their Arab and Iranian brothers. And who in fact is providing the corridors for humanitarian assistance to Palestinian civilians? Israel.

    In the first four minutes of this war, the Israel Air Force destroyed 50 targets, taking down practically every instrument and symbol of Hamas rule. Gaza’s Potemkin leaders were marginalized and rendered helpless, leaving their people to fend for themselves. At such moments, regimes are extremely vulnerable to forfeiting what the Chinese call the mandate of heaven, the sense of legitimacy that undergirds all forms of governance.

    The fall of Hamas rule in Gaza is within reach, but only if Israel does not cave in to pressure to stop now. Overthrowing Hamas would not require a permanent Israeli reoccupation. A transitional international force would be brought in to immediately make way for the return of the Palestinian Authority, the legitimate government whose forces will be less squeamish than the Europeans in establishing order in Gaza.
     

    Bjerknes

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    I dont remember too many wars where the opposing forces dropped leaflets warning the citizens of an impending attack....I think the whole genocide theory here is pretty far fetched

    "A top Hamas leader said the Gaza war has killed the last chance for settlement and negotiations with Israel"...are you kidding me ?? They NEVER wanted to negotiate with Israel in the first place on any issues, and were never going to accept them as a nation either, so what he's saying is pure, bonafied bullshit !!
    Yes, very sly by the IDF. They are so so so so nice people they warn citizens to move to places such as a UN school before they bomb them.

    Oh wait, they bombed the school anyway.

    Nice post, Vinni!
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
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    I dont remember too many wars where the opposing forces dropped leaflets warning the citizens of an impending attack....I think the whole genocide theory here is pretty far fetched
    "I'm going to blow your brains out...."*BLAM!*

    Bystander: What a nice guy :) He told him before doing it :touched:
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    Simple lack of understanding which isn't very surprising.

    The stupid IDF told citizens to go hide in the UN school, then they bomb the school and kill 42 people.

    How people here can be so stupid to defend that nonsense is beyond me.
     

    Ahmed

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    Sep 3, 2006
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    Vinman, quit hiding your ignorance under the guise of 'neutrality'...it's disgusting...millions of people, of every race, creed and religion all over the world are protesting against this massacre, so do not think you know better, which you clearly don't and probably never will
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    Vinman, quit hiding your ignorance under the guise of 'neutrality'...it's disgusting...millions of people, of every race, creed and religion all over the world are protesting against this massacre, so do not think you know better, which you clearly don't and probably never will
    Ahmed, kiss my ass

    if you cant handle an opinion that differs from yours, then dont read my fucking posts...plain and simple !!

    thats what the "ignore" button is for, or do I have to explain to you how that works ??
     

    Alen

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    Apr 2, 2007
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    Vinny, it's a sensitive issue for many of our members so you should be prepared for some hostility if you intend to say something that they're all convinced isn't true.

    But yeah, since you're not offending anyone (on purpose) and you don't use foul language, you have all the right to state your opinion.
     

    Vinman

    2013 Prediction Cup Champ
    Jul 16, 2002
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    Vinny, it's a sensitive issue for many of our members so you should be prepared for some hostility if you intend to say something that they're all convinced isn't true.

    But yeah, since you're not offending anyone (on purpose) and you don't use foul language, you have all the right to state your opinion.
    I know its a sensitive issue, Alen, but there are 2 sides to every story, whether some of these guys want to realize that or not

    I respect most of the guys in this thread (esp ReBeL), but this Ahmed douche has had a problem with me in Juve related threads as well

    hey Ahmed, go change your tampon !!
     

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