Israel War with Iran (97 Viewers)

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Actually he is not. He just shares a different opinion to what (at least seems like) the majority here thinks.
If 100 people jump over a building and the 101 stops to look first - being the odd one doesnt make you dumb.
Not to get into personal attacks but your reasoning is bs. Different opinions are not necessarily good. Your analogy is also hilarious.

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There you go. Fuck Israel and its bitch.

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This is bs. Iranian parliament is a joke body with little to no power in such matters.
 

loyada

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2005
1,538
There you go. Fuck Israel and its bitch.

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Why would Iran close the strait of Hormuz? , they still export oil to the Asia through the strait and USA and Israel have not disrupted much yet because the biggest loser could China who import Iranian oil. Unless there is a ground invasion from USA.

1- For Iran to close the Strait, it means occupation and the taking over of Oman's waters where most of ships go through. This will immediately invoke the defense pact of the GCC: it means war among all

2- The lung of Iran is Oman. why will the Iranian government mak Oman an enemy?

3- Iran's friends will be hurt more than its enemies by the closure of the Strait of #Hormuz. Especially that its enemies do not import from Iran, and there are two underutilized pipelines that circumvent the the Strait.

 

JuveJay

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Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
75,301
Actually he is not. He just shares a different opinion to what (at least seems like) the majority here thinks.
If 100 people jump over a building and the 101 stops to look first - being the odd one doesnt make you dumb.
I mean, it could be that, as an Israeli, you think the acts of the Israeli government are correct, and that 95% of other people who don't agree with what they are doing are incorrect. It's possible. Or it could be that you're inevitably going to very biased and defensive.
 
Apr 15, 2005
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Why would Iran close the strait of Hormuz? , they still export oil to the Asia through the strait and USA and Israel have not disrupted much yet because the biggest loser could China who import Iranian oil. Unless there is a ground invasion from USA.

1- For Iran to close the Strait, it means occupation and the taking over of Oman's waters where most of ships go through. This will immediately invoke the defense pact of the GCC: it means war among all

2- The lung of Iran is Oman. why will the Iranian government mak Oman an enemy?

3- Iran's friends will be hurt more than its enemies by the closure of the Strait of #Hormuz. Especially that its enemies do not import from Iran, and there are two underutilized pipelines that circumvent the the Strait.

Oman, and most gulf states, are firmly in the US camp. So why would Iran not try to block of the strair? Whether they are able to do it or not successfully is a different question.

The strait of Hormuz impacts 25-30% of the world’s oil supply. If they are able to do it successfully, its a massive deal. You just need to go through the Suez Canal Crisis and Nasser to see how US and its allies would react, especially in a time where their weaponry has become more advanced, and resistance against US in the arab world is at an all time low. Back then, Egypt had a spine.


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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,378
Actually he is not. He just shares a different opinion to what (at least seems like) the majority here thinks.
If 100 people jump over a building and the 101 stops to look first - being the odd one doesnt make you dumb.
He 'hopes' they won't retaliate?

Wtf kind of idea is that.

Israel's entire point is that they say Iran should be crippled now. If they can retaliate, they will.

No, he's hilariously dumb. Hilariously. No matter which side you're coming from.
 

Orgut

Senior Member
Dec 31, 2002
19,420
I mean, it could be that, as an Israeli, you think the acts of the Israeli government are correct, and that 95% of other people who don't agree with what they are doing are incorrect. It's possible. Or it could be that you're inevitably going to very biased and defensive.
Its true. I cannot deny it but attacking in order to prevent nuclear was the only option as its do or die.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,378
Its true. I cannot deny it but attacking in order to prevent nuclear was the only option as its do or die.
Well, it's even worse now.

Either you obliterate Iran or they will develop nuclear weapons even more quickly.

But hey, is it still genocide if you wipe out several peoples at the same time?
 
Mar 16, 2013
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Its true. I cannot deny it but attacking in order to prevent nuclear was the only option as its do or die.
Yeah. Because your dear leader (yes, he is your leader) decided to rip the existing nuclear deal back in 2018. So of course Iran wouldn’t hold up their end of the bargain. This is what you wanted all along. Death and destruction is all you understand because that’s what your retarded holy book commands.
 

Mohad

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May 20, 2009
6,729
Oman, and most gulf states, are firmly in the US camp. So why would Iran not try to block of the strair? Whether they are able to do it or not successfully is a different question.

The strait of Hormuz impacts 25-30% of the world’s oil supply. If they are able to do it successfully, its a massive deal. You just need to go through the Suez Canal Crisis and Nasser to see how US and its allies would react, especially in a time where their weaponry has become more advanced, and resistance against US in the arab world is at an all time low. Back then, Egypt had a spine.


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Using the strait of Hormuz as a pressure card makes sense, but with the way Israel is acting, it is easy to see how Iran could be pushed to actually do it. If Iran ever decided to close the strait of Hormuz, it would not just mean sending some ships there. It would mean actually threatening vessels passing through and possibly even firing at them. It is more about creating a real military threat, not just having navy ships in the area. That is similar to what the Houthis did in Bab al-Mandab a while back when they targeted commercial ships, which made that whole area risky. In the worst case scenario, Iran might even bring in naval forces.
 
Mar 16, 2013
17,049
Using the strait of Hormuz as a pressure card makes sense, but with the way Israel is acting, it is easy to see how Iran could be pushed to actually do it. If Iran ever decided to close the strait of Hormuz, it would not just mean sending some ships there. It would mean actually threatening vessels passing through and possibly even firing at them. It is more about creating a real military threat, not just having navy ships in the area. That is similar to what the Houthis did in Bab al-Mandab a while back when they targeted commercial ships, which made that whole area risky. In the worst case scenario, Iran might even bring in naval forces.
If they do that, it would likely be considered an act of war by Oman, UAE, Saudi and India.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
21,010
Listening to David Albright, a former IAEA inspector and nuclear weapons expert, it looks like Iran may have lost 15-20% of their uranium centrifuges. The 800 lb stock of 60% enriched uranium also seems intact.
So this thing is far from over. US may need to do a lot more strikes if they wish to end the nuclear program. What they managed to do is to increase the time needed to create weapons grade uranium to more than a year. Extent of the damage to Fordo site is also unclear.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,378
Listening to David Albright, a former IAEA inspector and nuclear weapons expert, it looks like Iran may have lost 15-20% of their uranium centrifuges. The 800 lb stock of 60% enriched uranium also seems intact.
So this thing is far from over. US may need to do a lot more strikes if they wish to end the nuclear program. What they managed to do is to increase the time needed to create weapons grade uranium to more than a year. Extent of the damage to Fordo site is also unclear.
Trump is too fucking stupid to understand this, but it's essentially impossible to leave the conflict now.

All he has done is show Iran that they really definitely without any shadow of a doubt need nuclear weapons to be safe and defend themselves from random attacks.

Either the US get fully involved and control Iran through whatever means possible or the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons has just grown exponentially bigger.
 

ALC

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Oct 28, 2010
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  • ALC

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Trump is too fucking stupid to understand this, but it's essentially impossible to leave the conflict now.

All he has done is show Iran that they really definitely without any shadow of a doubt need nuclear weapons to be safe and defend themselves from random attacks.

Either the US get fully involved and control Iran through whatever means possible or the threat of Iran developing nuclear weapons has just grown exponentially bigger.
Trump only did what his master Bibi told him to.
 

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