Israel War with Iran (112 Viewers)

[Ronn]

that sounds like a war crime

Israeli foreign minister

 

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[Seven]

This one is indeed can be interpeted as such unless there is a justification (just because of regime symbol does not count as such in my books)

Well, one more war crime hardly matters these days anymore.

 

[Orgut]

Yes everybody is wrong except you. Have a nice day.

Yeah thats what Im telling you but you for some reason can't understand.
Well at least you are a Juventini

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Israeli foreign minister

Wow. From these words I cant justify it. Simply shocked as even if the first part is true thats not how you deal with it.
Bomb more nuclear facilities even hit their remaining ministers is way more understandable

 

[kappa96]

You call it whataboutism, I call it consistency in principles.

You either believe in what you are saying or you are just parroting talking points to suit your biases.

Nobody who is being honest can justify what the US and Israel is doing from a rational and fair standpoint.

I can from a survival point of view.
The only question is "Can Israel or even the US afford to have Iran in a position to give it's proxies nuclear warheads?"
The only logical answer is "No, they can't afford that."
If the regime in Iran wasn't so open about "Death to Israel or death to the USA", policy, than it might pose a moral dilemma , but not in this context.

 

[Seven]

Yeah thats what Im telling you but you for some reason can't understand.
Well at least you are a Juventini

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Wow. From these words I cant justify it. Simply shocked as even if the first part is true thats not how you deal with it.
Bomb more nuclear facilities even hit their remaining ministers is way more understandable

Why are you shocked?

The Israeli regime (yes, you can delegitimize any government by referring to it as a regime) has time and time again targeted civilians, civilian infrastructure, aid convoys and humanitarian help as a scare tactic. From famine to downright torture, Israel as a state has one goal and one goal only: to subjugate others through fear.

This is not shocking. This is the very core of Israel. This is who you are.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

I can from a survival point of view.
The only question is "Can Israel or even the US afford to have Iran in a position to give it's proxies nuclear warheads?"
The only logical answer is "No, they can't afford that."
If the regime in Iran wasn't so open about "Death to Israel or death to the USA", policy, than it might pose a moral dilemma , but not in this context.

Man, if they would only stop issuing verbal threats like "Death to USA/Israel" and actually start bombing and invading countries, eh? That would prove they are not a danger to anyone, and they have the right to nuclear weapons like everyone else.

That's your logic. Think about it.

 

[Orgut]

Well, one more war crime hardly matters these days anymore.

Depends if it is such.
Im ashamed it happened on purpose (until I see a good reasoning).
The other you call war crimes can easily be interpreted otherwise.

You have no idea what is Gaza.
They educate their kids to be shahids and Hamas control every step they make.
Hamas take their money their food, stores weapons everywhere including holy places, schools, hospitals, residents.
Hamas is really everything you cant imagine that exist.
Why wouldn't anyone in Gaza fight against them - Obviously he would be executed and they will call him a traitor.
Im not saying Israel is perfect - Definitely not. But while I dont like civillians being killed you shouldnt store armory at these places just to then show the world.

Lets not take it further as we will then go completely out of topic.

 

[kappa96]

Man, if they would only stop issuing verbal threats like "Death to USA/Israel" and actually start bombing and invading countries, eh? That would prove they are not a danger to anyone, and they have the right to nuclear weapons like everyone else.

That's your logic. Think about it.

But they are already doing that through proxies remember.
If they get the nuclear bomb , they would still do that , but those countries would be under a nuclear threat , not only conventional.

 

[Seven]

Depends if it is such.
Im ashamed it happened on purpose (until I see a good reasoning).
The other you call war crimes can easily be interpreted otherwise.

You have no idea what is Gaza.
They educate their kids to be shahids and Hamas control every step they make.
Hamas take their money their food, stores weapons everywhere including holy places, schools, hospitals, residents.
Hamas is really everything you cant imagine that exist.
Why wouldn't anyone in Gaza fight against them - Obviously he would be executed and they will call him a traitor.
Im not saying Israel is perfect - Definitely not. But while I dont like civillians being killed you shouldnt store armory at these places just to then show the world.

Lets not take it further as we will then go completely out of topic.

No one expects perfection.

We expect the bare minimum of regard for human life.

Israel has targeted civilians for decades. It's arguably the most genocidal state to have ever existed. Surely I cannot for the life of me think of any other state that has basically spent 95% of its existence committing genocidal acts.

Israel was born out of genocide and it seems like that is their DNA.

 

[TheLaz]

Iran funds terrorist organizations, okay true. Let's say they deserve to be forced into regime change.

So what about the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and others, do you say the same for them?

Is a country free if it's leaders are not elect by it's people? I think most people on earth would like to see other leaders than Netanyahu and Trump, but at least they are people elect. Less than 50% of eligable Americans voted. Yet they had the chance to vote and so Trump represents USA. He is chosen to lead. I can't make it any more explicit than this. For the record I hate Trump and I hate Netanyahu. But I hate Hamas, Hitzbollah and the regime in Iran much more.

 

[Seven]

Is a country free if it's leaders are not elect by it's people? I think most people on earth would like to see other leaders than Netanyahu and Trump, but at least they are people elect. Less than 50% of eligable Americans voted. Yet they had the chance to vote and so Trump represents USA. He is chosen to lead. I can't make it any more explicit than this. For the record I hate Trump and I hate Netanyahu. But I hate Hamas, Hitzbollah and the regime in Iran much more.

I'm sure the Iranian people will welcome their liberators.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

But they are already doing that through proxies remember.
If they get the nuclear bomb , they would still do that , but those countries would be under a nuclear threat , not only conventional.

Again, holding one to standards you don't hold for the other. Whatever you accuse of Iran of, the US/Israel have done, and much more.

Is a country free if it's leaders are not elect by it's people? I think most people on earth would like to see other leaders than Netanyahu and Trump, but at least they are people elect. Less than 50% of eligable Americans voted. Yet they had the chance to vote and so Trump represents USA. He is chosen to lead. I can't make it any more explicit than this. For the record I hate Trump and I hate Netanyahu. But I hate Hamas, Hitzbollah and the regime in Iran much more.

Ah, you're all about bringing freedom and democracy to Iran. How noble. I'm sure the Iranians will be grateful for your support to their cause.

 

[Mohad]

 

[Ronn]

Both Israel government and White House spokespersons said today that “it’s up to the Iranian people now”. It’s clear to me that they overestimated an unarmed population’s capabilities to overthrow a ruthless regime that’s now wounded and humiliated. If regime is not overthrown the Iranian people will pay a hefty price.
I see a lot of LinkedIn posts from professional people in Iran that have lost their jobs because of this war. The economic situation was terrible even before this, and now it’s expecting too much from people to fight an aggressive regime with bare hands, while having families to feed.

 

[TheLaz]

I'm sure the Iranian people will welcome their liberators.

This is the best chance they will ever get at overturning this regime. Let's hope they can do it

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Fox News propaganda is alive and well, lmao

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Not gonna happen. But this is what the poeple of Iran need to overturn the terroist regime. For now, all the people get is strategic bombing

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The US doesn't care about the people of Iran. They are not bombing to free the people. They are bombing to weaken the regime and eliminate the threat of WMD.

Now where have I heard this one before...?

 

[Bjerknes]

This is why if Israel ever becomes in danger, I fully expect them to nuke the planet. No joke. They are complete nut jobs.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

This is why if Israel ever becomes in danger, I fully expect them to nuke the planet. No joke. They are complete nut jobs.

they have killed kennedy for merely suggesting to check out their nuclear arsenal. imagine how much more they have stockpiled since then.

 

[Bjerknes]

Fox - Iranian strikes incoming on US Base in Qatar.