Islamic Centre in the general vicinity of Ground Zero (1 Viewer)

[Hist]

I don't think building more mosques is exactly a top 10 priority for a terrorist.

I am not saying it is. I am saying that it would be seen as Me bombing your house then putting my flag on top of it. It says "Victory!"


Surely you can see how people might perceive it. Its not worth the trouble

 

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[Bjerknes]

I don't think building more mosques is exactly a top 10 priority for a terrorist.

I'd probably dispute that. Mosques are not only a place of worship, but also recruitment centers for extremists. So it could be a high priority for someone with intentions of starting a holy war.

I know it isn't a popular notion, but even these extremists truly believe they are doing God's work. Some will claim that they don't really care about God, but I find that hard to believe. They have misconstrued beliefs in terms of what the Quoran means in some passage perhaps, but they do truly believe in Islam and Allah.

 

[Hist]

This is what i was talking about earlier:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-7-2010/wish-you-weren-t-here?xrs=synd_facebook

 

[Bjerknes]

Anyone who is against Muslims' right to build mosques is most likely a Christian conservative in America. This took place in Tennessee around a week ago.. FOX have been on about it for a long time. They are against building Mosques in general its not just about ground zero.

About ground Zero:
Building a Mosque in Ground Zero would be less welcomed than building a Church in Ground Zero..that is a fact.

The only reason I have against building a Mosque there is that it may seem as a slap in the face of Americans who believe Islam is responsible for there being a ground zero in the first place. Why go through all the trouble when you can avoid it.. build one somewhere else..its making more harm than good. Leave ground Zero as Ground Zero.. no religious site whatsoever.

I don't really see why any religious establishment should be built there. The place should be about the victims and the victims' families. So with that, I say they should decide what happens with Ground Zero. After all, it is their resting place.

 

[Hist]

Agreed

 

[Ahmed]

I am not saying it is. I am saying that it would be seen as Me bombing your house then putting my flag on top of it. It says "Victory!"


Surely you can see how people might perceive it. Its not worth the trouble

I agree that it is looking for trouble, but perception is different from reality.

I'd probably dispute that. Mosques are not only a place of worship, but also recruitment centers for extremists. So it could be a high priority for someone with intentions of starting a holy war.

I know it isn't a popular notion, but even these extremists truly believe they are doing God's work. Some will claim that they don't really care about God, but I find that hard to believe. They have misconstrued beliefs in terms of what the Quoran means in some passage perhaps, but they do truly believe in Islam and Allah.

a lot more cynical than that I'm afraid, more to do with systematic brain-washing and manipulation more than actual 'religious belief'...religion has long been used as a tool for motivation / justification for political means, and the 'belief' in Islam being so much stronger, makes it a lot easier to convince an impressionable mind.

 

[Bjerknes]

a lot more cynical than that I'm afraid, more to do with systematic brain-washing and manipulation more than actual 'religious belief'...religion has long been used as a tool for motivation / justification for political means, and the 'belief' in Islam being so much stronger, makes it a lot easier to convince an impressionable mind.

There might be some brainwashing to it, but this also has to do with different interpretations of what certain things mean, as in verses in the Quoran.

 

[Fred]

I think its a problem that can be avoided. Just build your mosque somewhere else, there was bound to be problems if they wanted to build a mosque near ground zero, i think they knew that beforehand, so why go through all the trouble, if its really because they want to build a mosque, they can build it somewhere else.

I'd probably dispute that. Mosques are not only a place of worship, but also recruitment centers for extremists. So it could be a high priority for someone with intentions of starting a holy war.

I know it isn't a popular notion, but even these extremists truly believe they are doing God's work. Some will claim that they don't really care about God, but I find that hard to believe. They have misconstrued beliefs in terms of what the Quoran means in some passage perhaps, but they do truly believe in Islam and Allah.

Exactly, but most of these people are uneducated anyway, so like Ahmed said, they are easily manipulated and brainwashed.

 

[Hist]

Brain washing is not exclusive to Islam. Every dogma has two essential items that make room for brain washing.

1) Ancient Scripture: Usually in ancient languages and writing styles leaving the intended meaning ambiguous which gives room for personal bias and incomplete understanding. Usually comes with incomplete or opposing stories in history that is poorly documented.

2) Faith: Belief without the need for real evidence in the scripture.

Add both and you have faith in scripture or rather one interpretation of scripture. You get schools of thought and multiple sects out of this situation.. some dangerous some not.

 

[Enron]

Point of fact: The proposed mosque isn't actually at ground zero. It would be located a few blocks away.

Continue.

 

[swag]

Mark my words: they're going to build a McDonald's and a Starbucks at Ground Zero. Desecration doesn't get any better than that.

 

[Seven]

Point of fact: The proposed mosque isn't actually at ground zero. It would be located a few blocks away.

Continue.

Which, of course, makes all the difference in the world . If it's really a few blocks away, the entire discussion is stupid.

 

[Enron]

I've always thought they should build another big ass building there. Set up a commemorative memorial up front. Maybe a museum on the first floor. Really let people know that terror does run America... oh wait.

 

[Enron]

Which, of course, makes all the difference in the world . If it's really a few blocks away, the entire discussion is stupid.

The article says near ground zero. Not at.

 

[swag]

I've always thought they should build another big ass building there. Set up a commemorative memorial up front. Maybe a museum on the first floor. Really let people know that terror does run America... oh wait.

New headquarters for Goldman Sachs.

 

[Enron]

New headquarters for Goldman Sachs.

Or city offices for NYC. Something productive. Instead of a stupid hole in the ground.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Okay guys, let's get one thing here straight, religion is for the weak minded, we all know that. Jews (stingy), Christians (rapists), and Muslims (dirty) are all a bane to society as a whole. I mean, what has any of them ever given us? Countries? Numeric systems? Theory of Relativity? What has any of that stuff really done for the world?

As someone, probably the only person here, who had family die in the Bush Radical Islam Terror Appreciation Day Attacks of 9/11, I think my opinion actually holds water, and here it is:

Why did the Muslims fail and not destroy the whole city, I would have gladly sacrificed my brothers for the greater world good of having NYC demolished.

 

[Enron]

http://humanrights.change.org/blog/view/building_a_mosque_at_ground_zero

A different take.

 

[Enron]

2 - what is a "mega-mosque?"

13 story building. Swimming pool, inter-faith center, child care, culinary school (why I don't know), other crazy stuff.

 

[swag]

Okay guys, let's get one thing here straight, religion is for the weak minded, we all know that. Jews (stingy), Christians (rapists), and Muslims (dirty) are all a bane to society as a whole. I mean, what has any of them ever given us? Countries? Numeric systems? Theory of Relativity? What has any of that stuff really done for the world?

As someone, probably the only person here, who had family die in the Bush Radical Islam Terror Appreciation Day Attacks of 9/11, I think my opinion actually holds water, and here it is:

Why did the Muslims fail and not destroy the whole city, I would have gladly sacrificed my brothers for the greater world good of having NYC demolished.

You just insulted half the forums, yo. Not that it's unprecedented, but please -- something less obvious next time to at least pretend you respect others here, yeah?