Is The premiership really that good ? (4 Viewers)
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I saw a match between Depor and Real last night.
The match was extremely interesting with Spanish importing unknown but good South American talent, all the time, but the quality of the match was just below standard to that of EPL or Serie A. There were a few good players like Rikki for Depor, who is one heck of striker and will score many goals this year IMO, and Guardado (Spelling?) who is a real live-wire, and De Guzman, has cracking distribution, but there were too many below par players on both side, admittingly it may include many squad players.
Players like De la Rez, Soldado, Cicinho, shouldnt really be playing for a team like Madrid. However, consulted Roma to get Cicinho is just crazy. The guy isnt Confed. Cup Cicinho who bombards that right flank consistently. He is desperately short of confidence, and game is completely shot down. Gago is nothing more than glorified Ambrosini, admittingly with more potential but clearly inferior at this stage. He doesnt protect the defence anyway near the standard you expect from Madrid player's standard. And crosses, well, Madrid defenders have new clue on how to deal with crosses. Pepe worth all that much money. I mean I was impressed with him against Chelsea, but come on, you don't spend all that money for such unproven defender. Rikki steam-rolled over him in the first half, which made Madrid to make adjustment.
But the article was excellent and great read. EPL is all about package. When Serie A was undoubtedly the best league in the world, with ManU would struggle to beat the likes of Napoli, and Samp nevermind all the big guns, they constantly played we are the most exciting league in the world, because it is so unpredictable whilst grossly ignoring sheer difference in terms of quality. Now EPL is comparable to Serie A and La Liga, and may even surpass it to certain extent, they claim quality should be sole determinant of league standard, what load of bullshit. I don't watch La Liga too much, (mainly due to my allegiance to Serie A), there matches are unbelievably exciting, with leagues always going to last day like Serie A in late 90s. Quality isnt greatest in the world from big teams, and I doubt Madrid, Valencia, Sevilla or Barca would win CL this year, but the drama and competiveness more than make of for it IMO.
The match was extremely interesting with Spanish importing unknown but good South American talent, all the time, but the quality of the match was just below standard to that of EPL or Serie A. There were a few good players like Rikki for Depor, who is one heck of striker and will score many goals this year IMO, and Guardado (Spelling?) who is a real live-wire, and De Guzman, has cracking distribution, but there were too many below par players on both side, admittingly it may include many squad players.
Players like De la Rez, Soldado, Cicinho, shouldnt really be playing for a team like Madrid. However, consulted Roma to get Cicinho is just crazy. The guy isnt Confed. Cup Cicinho who bombards that right flank consistently. He is desperately short of confidence, and game is completely shot down. Gago is nothing more than glorified Ambrosini, admittingly with more potential but clearly inferior at this stage. He doesnt protect the defence anyway near the standard you expect from Madrid player's standard. And crosses, well, Madrid defenders have new clue on how to deal with crosses. Pepe worth all that much money. I mean I was impressed with him against Chelsea, but come on, you don't spend all that money for such unproven defender. Rikki steam-rolled over him in the first half, which made Madrid to make adjustment.
But the article was excellent and great read. EPL is all about package. When Serie A was undoubtedly the best league in the world, with ManU would struggle to beat the likes of Napoli, and Samp nevermind all the big guns, they constantly played we are the most exciting league in the world, because it is so unpredictable whilst grossly ignoring sheer difference in terms of quality. Now EPL is comparable to Serie A and La Liga, and may even surpass it to certain extent, they claim quality should be sole determinant of league standard, what load of bullshit. I don't watch La Liga too much, (mainly due to my allegiance to Serie A), there matches are unbelievably exciting, with leagues always going to last day like Serie A in late 90s. Quality isnt greatest in the world from big teams, and I doubt Madrid, Valencia, Sevilla or Barca would win CL this year, but the drama and competiveness more than make of for it IMO.
Serie A in the 90s was unbelievable , the in 2001 when juventus won the league on the last matchday . Ronaldo cried that day after inter lost 4-2 to lazio , i'll never forget it . This year all the legendary teams are coming back into competition . Lazio had a great season last year after a few years of failure . Fiorentina , after going to the fourth division , are very close to the top four and soon enough it will start competing for the scudetto . Then you have the three giants marking their return to serie A , juventus , genoa , napoli .
With roma , inter , milan all ready on top , i think this is going to be the most exciting season in a while .
With roma , inter , milan all ready on top , i think this is going to be the most exciting season in a while .
when people think about serie A the terms that come to mind are negative football catenacchio, scandals and corruption. when they think of English football they are kick and rush, excititing, hoologans.
All these stereotypes are debateble and are often obsolete but that is what most people think of when they are asked what they think of these leagues.
At the moment Italy has a negative image that is why we need to play exciting football even if it goes against the culture and build new modern stadiums.
England was nowhere when their teams were banned out of Europe, we are nowhere near that point but the Italian clubs do have an image problem.
All these stereotypes are debateble and are often obsolete but that is what most people think of when they are asked what they think of these leagues.
At the moment Italy has a negative image that is why we need to play exciting football even if it goes against the culture and build new modern stadiums.
England was nowhere when their teams were banned out of Europe, we are nowhere near that point but the Italian clubs do have an image problem.
I think Italy will always stick to its culture , it's one of things i respect about italy . Italian teams to have to play pure offensive football to be attractive . Look at Milan , they have a very attractive style of play and are not offensive . They have a special ability to control the ball well , Something i can see juventus doing with tiago/almiron ... If we can play possesion football i think we would have taken a huge load of the defense , gotten a betterchance of scoring in attack , and looking good doing so .
I had a good debate with denco on media few weeks back. But the whole point of media, while I will not go into detailed discussion is that they need to sell papers and viewers. That means they have to sell stories. Stories, by nature, are predictable. They are easy to digest, and grossly generalized whatever issue on hand. This is happening with soccer hype as well. When England has 3 teams in CL Semi, ditto Italia and ditto Spain, people take it as a "sign" that the league is superior to other leagues., but in fact that statistical speaking, it may be nothing more than an abberation.
What people do is that they find pattern in random events, and they present such evidence as "indicative" of points they trying to prove. But the motive stays the same. For EPL, and Sky, the thing that matters is not the what they say is the truth, but merely the fact that find whatever phrase the serves its best interest and present it in a way that befits most effectively. If this means defaming rival leagues, or ignoring them, well they will do so enthusiastically.
Anyway, my gut feeling suggests this year's CL is going to be wide open, with some unknown team winning it all. I just think the gulf between teams arent big as media portrays.
What people do is that they find pattern in random events, and they present such evidence as "indicative" of points they trying to prove. But the motive stays the same. For EPL, and Sky, the thing that matters is not the what they say is the truth, but merely the fact that find whatever phrase the serves its best interest and present it in a way that befits most effectively. If this means defaming rival leagues, or ignoring them, well they will do so enthusiastically.
Anyway, my gut feeling suggests this year's CL is going to be wide open, with some unknown team winning it all. I just think the gulf between teams arent big as media portrays.
I am personally not too enthusiastic about Almiron and Thiago.
Whoever said Almiron is the next Veron seriously needs to be shot down. That is insult to Seba Veron. The guy was phenom playing for Lazio in 2000-2001 Season, outplaying Zidane in the process. I havent seen much of Almiron but I have seen enough of him to know he aint Veron an never will be. Thiago is pretty good player, especially in terms of playing off the ball, but again nothing special.
I don't personally find controlling pace to be good arguement between the leagues. Just looking at Italian teams, there are only two teams that consistently play attractive style and win; that is Milan and Roma. Palermo tries to adventurous but ends up committing suicide with lack of structure in the team. Watching likes of playing Torino against Livorno almost makes you want to commit suicide, which I had the misfortune to do so.
I personally thinks the style of game is converging, unlike 90s, because players, managers, and even coaches are moving across borders all the time. Inter play typical Italian game with bunch of foreigners. Roma play almost South-American style with the majority of team being Italian. Chelsea is least English as I can think of in terms of stereotype. Whilst Liverpool with Crouch; might as turn off TV because they are kick and rush at extreme. But if you want kick and rush, well, Capello will provide with good deal of fun. So the argument goes either way.
Whoever said Almiron is the next Veron seriously needs to be shot down. That is insult to Seba Veron. The guy was phenom playing for Lazio in 2000-2001 Season, outplaying Zidane in the process. I havent seen much of Almiron but I have seen enough of him to know he aint Veron an never will be. Thiago is pretty good player, especially in terms of playing off the ball, but again nothing special.
I don't personally find controlling pace to be good arguement between the leagues. Just looking at Italian teams, there are only two teams that consistently play attractive style and win; that is Milan and Roma. Palermo tries to adventurous but ends up committing suicide with lack of structure in the team. Watching likes of playing Torino against Livorno almost makes you want to commit suicide, which I had the misfortune to do so.
I personally thinks the style of game is converging, unlike 90s, because players, managers, and even coaches are moving across borders all the time. Inter play typical Italian game with bunch of foreigners. Roma play almost South-American style with the majority of team being Italian. Chelsea is least English as I can think of in terms of stereotype. Whilst Liverpool with Crouch; might as turn off TV because they are kick and rush at extreme. But if you want kick and rush, well, Capello will provide with good deal of fun. So the argument goes either way.
could not agree more with this, put quite simply teh champions league is a cup competition and the best team does not always win a knock-out tournament. put all the top teams into a league is the only way to guage who is truly superior. you find that when juve,inter and milan were in the semi's of the CL then no-one in england proclaimed that serie a was the best in europe, instead all teh talk was of strength,luck,defending,etc....
the premiership is the most hyped league in the world, nothing more! serie a is in the doldrums at the moment but i would still rather watch a good tactical game rather than the kick-and-rush tactics of the premiership. looking at the defense of the champions manure gives you an honest idea of just how poor the level of defending is(chelsea are the exceptions)could a backline of neville-brown-ferdinand-heinze win serie a ?i seriously doubt it
the premiership is the most hyped league in the world, nothing more! serie a is in the doldrums at the moment but i would still rather watch a good tactical game rather than the kick-and-rush tactics of the premiership. looking at the defense of the champions manure gives you an honest idea of just how poor the level of defending is(chelsea are the exceptions)could a backline of neville-brown-ferdinand-heinze win serie a ?i seriously doubt it