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[ashwin]

really, this is a very important topic.

The word "fail" should be banned from use in British classrooms and replaced with "deferred success" to avoid demoralizing pupils, says a group of teachers.

Members of the Professional Association of Teachers (PAT) argue that telling pupils they have failed can put them off learning for life.

A spokesman for the group said it wanted to avoid labeling children.
"We recognize that children do not necessarily achieve success first time," he said.

"But I recognize that we can't just strike a word from the dictionary," he said.

The PAT said it would debate the proposal at a conference next week.

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[Lawnchair Bes]

a rose by any other name is still

 

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The term "Professional Association of Teachers" should be banned as well, in favor of Overpaid Idiots..

 

[Seven]

Morons.

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++


The term "Professional Association of Teachers" should be banned as well, in favor of Overpaid Idiots..

I was thinking just the same thing... except my thought was more along the lines of the "Professional Association of Deferred Educators OF the Future" (PADE OFF).

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

hey coming from people who call entry level employees junior assistant associate of the sales deparment or something, you can be surprised

 

[Nicole]

this is dumb, some kids need a kick up the ass, telling them they failed is something even for that to happen...

"defered success " what the ****?

 

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++ [ originally posted by swag ] ++


I was thinking just the same thing... except my thought was more along the lines of the "Professional Association of Deferred Educators OF the Future" (PADE OFF).

 

[jaecole]

At a young level I don't disagree.

 

[K10]

Its dumb and that idea deserves an F.

Why lie to the children. Hey, you failed, do better next time.

 

[jaecole]

Well maybe if you lose that kind of attitude your education system wont suck so much

 

[Desmond]

So instead of saying they failed teachers now tell students that their "success has been deferred" ?

In many instances, failing comes before success.It's not neccesarily bad to experience some failure at some point.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

can you imagine two kids of age 10 talking to each other.

- man this sucks, i just deffered success.
- well, at least you didnt fail.

 

[Maher]

What is this useless thread ?

 

[ashwin]

its like toilet cleaners in some businesses are called sanitational engineers. its all bullshit. face the truth!

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Nawaf ] ++


The term "Professional Association of Teachers" should be banned as well, in favor of Overpaid Idiots..

Why exactly... These people are not overpaid... they are average teachers who in reality are underpaid... PAT is jus a trade union built up of normal teachers from around the country...

They have done alot of good for our education system and are jus about the only trade union in the country who have a policy that does not allow its members to go on strike... They sort their issues in other ways without disrupting the education of the countries children... A very good organisation...

Though admittedly this idea is complete lunacy

 

[#10]

I agree paul, both my parents are member of PAT and i see them as a sound trade union.

Imo the word fail is exactly what some people needs for a kick up the arse.

There is no real academic reason for failure other than lack of hard work..thus "fail" and its brutal aura are a usefull weapon for both teachers and students to help motivate them....the idea to remove the word is stupid.

Another example of the nation being wrapped up in cotton wool.

 

[Tom]

deferred success :dielaugh: whatever next!

 

[Chxta]

Loss of value...

 

[Ian]

I don't know. I think that they've got the right idea, just poor execution. They need to do away with the whole pass or fail idea completely. Why not evaluate students based on what they've learned, rather than what they should have learned?