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king Ale

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Like any other Iranian, I've been considering immigrating from Iran for many years now. My parents were never going to move as they always thought/and still think that it's over for them and that they can't start a new life in a whole new environment but they have always wanted their children to leave the country as soon as possible as the situation has never ever seemed promising and it has gotten far worse since Ahmadinejad. The gap between the regime's motives and purposes and those of people has become bigger, we are in a worse financial, social and cultural state now compared to 5-6 years ago, sanctions imposed on Iran are making things even worse, unemployment rate is at its highest in recent years, and above all, there's a direct correlation between our future and the Western countries' (mainly the US') policies. Our government's hasty, irrational and stupid antics have made us become a place which no one will shed a tear over if the US start an attack on us.

In no other period after the Islamic revolution, Iranians have immigrated as much as they do now, to the US, Canada, Europe, Australia, Malaysia, etc. It's somehow easier now to reunite with friends in Europe/North America than in Iran. My brother and sister are leaving Iran in (at most) two years' time.

But what will eventually happen if everyone who thinks there is something going wrong in the country leaves? What if all those who can change something leave? I want to talk to you, to those who are immigrants, those who have experienced immigration, those who can relate to my concerns and those who find them absurd.

Only remember that bars and boys don't appeal to me that much :p I mean unlike many other Iranians (among which are many of my friends) I'm not gonna leave only to get rid of hijab or similar stuff the government forces people to/not to do against their will. I want to live in a country where I'm given the right to have a voice but thing is that I want to have it here, in Iran. It won't mean to me that much as an immigrant.
 

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Ford Prefect

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I believe in the complete freedom of movement, we all share the planet, drawing lines in the earth doesn't help anyone.

I also despise living the UK and want to leave as soon as possible. I am not the only person who feels like that here and other people feel the same about there resective 'nations' but to counter that, people will also never want to leave where they live.

For an entire economic/voting portion of a population to leave is only something that has ever occured through genocide or massive disease - ie cambodia or botswana (it hasn't happened yet but 49% of the adult population are HIV positive). If it were to happen through immigration, there would be a reverse effect kick in as has happened with Poland and the UK, there is now a smaller Polish community in the UK than before the mass migration between 2004-2006.

Do what makes you feel happy, if you feel disenchanted with where you live, you have to leave. You live once, don't waste it. As soon as i am done with my MA and PHD if i can do one, i wont be living the in the UK. The only ties here are family and the world is so small now, at most they are a day away.
 
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king Ale

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    I believe in the complete freedom of movement, we all share the planet, drawing lines in the earth doesn't help anyone.
    I also 100% believe in that. But that would make the immigration easier only if everyone believed in that. Which is not the case especially when you are notorious for your nationality.

    I also despise living the UK and want to leave as soon as possible. I am not the only person who feels like that here and other people feel the same about there resective 'nations' but to counter that, people will also never want to leave where they live.
    Where do you plan to go?

    For an entire economic/voting portion of a population to leave is only something that has ever occured through genocide or massive disease - ie cambodia or botswana (it hasn't happened yet but 49% of the adult population are HIV positive). If it were to happen through immigration, there would be a reverse effect kick in as has happened with Poland and the UK, there is now a smaller Polish community in the UK than before the mass migration between 2004-2006.
    You are right but when a society loses a large portion of its student (which exactly happen to be those who can make something happen), hopes for it to get back on track fall. I'm not exactly a nationalistic type of person, far from it actually, but shouldn't everyone take a bit of responsibility to make things better in the society they live? Or it's just too idealistic and sentimental?

    Do what makes you feel happy, if you feel disenchanted with where you live, you have to leave. You live once, don't waste it. As soon as i am done with my MA and PHD if i can do one, i wont be living the in the UK. The only ties here are family and the world is so small now, at most they are a day away.
    I had a realistic chance to leave after finishing my bachelor studies and now after finishing my masters in one year, I will have an even better chance of leaving but I can't really decide. I see how my friends and relatives leave but I don't know what's the right thing to do and most importantly, I don't even know whether or not immigration will make me feel happy.
     
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    what about how you would actually feel like in a foreign country? sure it'd be definitely better than the current situation in your homeland, but there's a possibility that you may feel like a second rate citizen. different situation I suppose, but I always have the option of getting permanent residency in Australia, as the money (amongst others) is much better than Malaysia, but be as it may I would always feel somewhat like a foreigner here even after several years.

    I realise it's a different topic altogether, sorry, but I know it's not an uncommon dilemma one might face
     

    Bozi

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    two words for you Hoori,and these are probably the most important words anyone will ever say to you but if you do decide to leave Iran



    AVOID BRITAIN
     
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    king Ale

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    what about how you would actually feel like in a foreign country? sure it'd be definitely better than the current situation in your homeland, but there's a possibility that you may feel like a second rate citizen. different situation I suppose, but I always have the option of getting permanent residency in Australia, as the money (amongst others) is much better than Malaysia, but be as it may I would always feel somewhat like a foreigner here even after several years.

    I realise it's a different topic altogether, sorry, but I know it's not an uncommon dilemma one might face
    That's certainly a possibility Sal, especially, as I said, for someone of certain nationality which is not exactly welcomed across the world. And that's why I told Jasper that as much as I believe in this "we all share the world" bit, I know it's unrealistic to expect people to not look at you like a foreigner all the time.
     
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    king Ale

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    two words for you Hoori,and these are probably the most important words anyone will ever say to you but if you do decide to leave Iran



    AVOID BRITAIN
    The US and Canada are the two places I will most probably consider if I ever decide to leave but why?
     

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    The US and Canada are the two places I will most probably consider if I ever decide to leave but why?
    Britain's fine (depending which bit you go to).

    It's just that people here are tremendously negative about the place, without any particularly good reason.
     

    Bozi

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    Britain is a shithole,we spent centuries "colonising" the world and now,since the scaling down of the British empire we have founded a nation completely intolerant of any cultures,seen our society disintegrate,our moral values disappear and ...well...teh weather is fucking shit

    the only thing that keeps me in Scotland is the close ties to my family,otherwise i would have left this sinking ship years ago
     

    Ford Prefect

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    I also 100% believe in that. But that would make the immigration easier only if everyone believed in that. Which is not the case especially when you are notorious for your nationality.



    Where do you plan to go?



    You are right but when a society loses a large portion of its student (which exactly happen to be those who can make something happen), hopes for it to get back on track fall. I'm not exactly a nationalistic type of person, far from it actually, but shouldn't everyone take a bit of responsibility to make things better in the society they live? Or it's just too idealistic and sentimental?



    I had a realistic chance to leave after finishing my bachelor studies and now after finishing my masters in one year, I will have an even better chance of leaving but I can't really decide. I see how my friends and relatives leave but I don't know what's the right thing to do and most importantly, I don't even know whether or not immigration will make me feel happy.
    I am planning on france, china or india. Maybe switzerland.

    (that is in order of preference and career potentional)

    The only way for real change to happen in a country is through mass movements ie. national strikes, protests, terrorism etc. Basically how you got shot of the Shah in the first place. A mass movement out of the country will also force a change.

    You live in a theocratic 'democracy'. I put democracy in inverted commas because the notion of iran being a democracy is a sham. While the Ayatollah hold supreme power and is appointed by people that aren't elected you can't be called a democracy, in fact that is the definition of autocracy.

    If you want people to stay, a liberal democratic system would need to be instated where everyone has the chance to have there voice heard. Whilst i don't believe the western model of democracy works, at its heart democracy serves the interested of the people. A one party system is possibly the best way to have that work. I would argue in fact that the Roman model of democracywas probably one of the best, with some obvious changes to the power structure (no emergency dictatorship to start with).
     

    Alen

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    I wasn't an immo so I can't give you the answers you're looking for.
    I can only offer you my bedroom. Whenever you plan to leave Iran baby. Just give me a call. We'll move together to Turin later.
     

    Ford Prefect

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    Britain is a shithole,we spent centuries "colonising" the world and now,since the scaling down of the British empire we have founded a nation completely intolerant of any cultures,seen our society disintegrate,our moral values disappear and ...well...teh weather is fucking shit

    the only thing that keeps me in Scotland is the close ties to my family,otherwise i would have left this sinking ship years ago
    You know i would have repped you for this regardless of the pm, and now i cant :(
     
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    king Ale

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    Avoid France too, with their new laws, it's fucked up for immigrants :sergio:
    You been there Cheese?

    Britain's fine (depending which bit you go to).

    It's just that people here are tremendously negative about the place, without any particularly good reason.
    My cousin moved to London five years ago and even though he doesn't complain that much, he plans to move to the US the moment he's done with his studies.

    But you are right, I heard that British people are generally negative about the place.

    Britain is a shithole,we spent centuries "colonising" the world and now,since the scaling down of the British empire we have founded a nation completely intolerant of any cultures,seen our society disintegrate,our moral values disappear and ...well...teh weather is fucking shit

    the only thing that keeps me in Scotland is the close ties to my family,otherwise i would have left this sinking ship years ago
    Where would you move if you decided to leave?

    Norway is the ideal country for you Hoori :tup:
    Yea that's what I hear all the time, Scandinavian countries in general seem good places for immigrants.
     
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    WΏΏdy;3319056 said:
    One word onE country hoori

    CHINA
    Don't know why, Jasper mentioned that too but even thinking about that scares me :p

    ßöмßäяðîëя;3319061 said:
    You can come stay with me, but I'm a boy, and I might as well live in a bar.
    Next!
     

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