Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (76 Viewers)

Zlatan

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++ [ originally posted by olkiller ] ++
By the way Saviola plays for Monaco & Larsson is nearly retired..none of these can even stand the comparison with DP!
I know who Saviola plays for, my point is why would they buy Del Piero when they have someone better on their books.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by aressandro10 ] ++



actually yes....in fact i rate his workrate better than zlatan and del piero..his level of concentration...dont just see what the tv want u to see...try to focus on what trezeguet do in every situations..where treseguet is when camo have the ball on the right..what do he do to make it easier for nedved to pass to him...thats how he always become Juve's top scorer...thats how u rate david trezeguet....

u cant just compare what david trezeguet do with juve what other strikers do with others teams..it not the same dimention...but what u can compare though is the end product..the goals...Trezeguet is one the most efficient strikes in europe...a guaranteeed goal getter..the goals are cold hard facts....any other things are just subjective..

Actually with all my respect every feature of Trezeguet u have mentioned the likes of Adriano, RVN.... can do it with blind eyes

U may have a point that we need a strong body stricker upfront and this why I think Capello r so much Zlatan-dependant as Zlatan earn a lot of fouls (top in serieA) thanks to his physical abilities....

Trezeguet is a good goal scorer only a :fool: will deny his scoring record, and surely he is the best scorer we have at the moment... but comparing him with the target men in other big european team make no sense to me....
 

Bjerknes

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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
We go over this subject so many times its ridiculous. Trezeguet's job is to score goals and hold up the ball for the rest of the attackers to come up the field; that is what you call a targetman. He is not the player to come back and help the midfield with buildup a la Del Piero, he instead focuses on play around the opposition box. That in part is what makes him one of the worlds deadliest finishers. What we lose with his inability to create chances we gain from his adept ability to be in the right place at the right time and score goals. He is a world class goal-mouth predator.

With the tactics we play with it is imperative to have a striker who is tall and can finish off chances within the box at a consistent rate. Since we play a straight 4-4-2 most of the chances stem from play on the sides and the wings, usually turning into crosses played into the box. Since most of the chances come from crosses we must have a striker in there that can hold his position against the opposing defenders and finish off air balls and half-chance passes. This is one of the reasons why Capello favors Trezeguet to Del Piero, simply because we need tall, strong forwards to be commanding in the opposition box and scores goals. Trezeguet is perfect for this role.
 

aressandro10

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++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++



Actually with all my respect every feature of Trezeguet u have mentioned the likes of Adriano, RVN.... can do it with blind eyes
...u cant just compare what david trezeguet do with juve what other strikers do with other teams..it not the same dimention...but what u can compare though is the end product..the goals...

;)


but comparing him with the target men in other big european team make no sense to me....
the thing is , it is only YOU who do that useless thing. just concetrate on what Trezeguet is doing with Juventus will ya... different atmosphere produce different result. As long as the end product is good, it doesnt matter how they came.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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I will not be convince of his working rate if he keep on sleeping during matches even if he score...

I may be satisfied if I only watch the match headlines... then I would see him scoring which surely makes me happy...

I have watch most of Juve games this season, and sorry his perfomance r not as good as it looks in the match headlines when he score and celebrate....
 

gray

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++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++
I will not be convince of his working rate if he keep on sleeping during matches even if he score...

I may be satisfied if I only watch the match headlines... then I would see him scoring which surely makes me happy...

I have watch most of Juve games this season, and sorry his perfomance r not as good as it looks in the match headlines when he score and celebrate....
The match headlines and Trezeguet scoring is all that matters in the end. I'd rather Trez tap the ball in from 1 yard out than go back and help out in midfield, do a lot of running and make passes for his teammates.

You must be insane to care more about how many miles a player covers on the football pitch than the number of goals he scores. You say you won't be convinced of his work rate if he sleeps during matches even if he scores.
Who cares about his work rate!? :wallbang: He's not trying to convince you that he's a versatile hard-working support striker. He's a goalscorer, and a bloody good one at that. What you're saying is basically like me telling you that Nedved sucks because he's not as good at tackling as Emerson :rolleyes:
 
Dec 26, 2004
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We r going on and on in the same discussion cycle that will lead us nowhere..

U r happy with his goals which makes me feel happy too, but I'm not convince with his playing style and I don't feel it is necessary to have the likes of him in every lineup....

I preffer a combination of Cassano-Zlatan a skillful due who can score and create rather than Zlatan-Trezeguet that is all...
 

gray

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++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++
I preffer a combination of Cassano-Zlatan a skillful due who can score and create rather than Zlatan-Trezeguet that is all...
we don't have Cassano
 

gray

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Now you're just being silly. I wasn't judging Trezeguet against Cassano, (whom I'd prefer over Trezeguet) I was judging Trezeguet from a neutral point of view.

Maybe if this was the "Who is better? Cassano or Trez" thread, my argument would be different, but since this is the Del Piero thread, I was looking at the current options that we have in our squad: Del Piero, Trez, Zlatan and Zalayeta, out of whom I'd choose Zlatan and Trezeguet, not Del Piero and Trezeguet or Zlatan and Del Piero.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++
Now you're just being silly. I wasn't judging Trezeguet against Cassano, (whom I'd prefer over Trezeguet) I was judging Trezeguet from a neutral point of view.

Maybe if this was the "Who is better? Cassano or Trez" thread, my argument would be different, but since this is the Del Piero thread, I was looking at the current options that we have in our squad: Del Piero, Trez, Zlatan and Zalayeta, out of whom I'd choose Zlatan and Trezeguet, not Del Piero and Trezeguet or Zlatan and Del Piero.
I think u can prove me your point easier without using the likes of this expression.....
Personally I would even choose Zalayeta ahead of Trezeguet....
DP------Zlatan
 

gray

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++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++
I think u can prove me your point easier without using the likes of this expression.....
oh c'mon, it's hardly the most stinging of expressions.."silly" is what a mother calls her child when he puts peas up his nose at the dinner table; compared to the other insults you'll see on this forum, "silly" should be classified as a compliment :) Anyhow I apologise if you were offended by the comment, and cheerfully withdraw it from my argument
++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++
Personally I would even choose Zalayeta ahead of Trezeguet....
DP------Zlatan
and that's why you're not a football manager ;)

DP and Zlatan, whilst probably being the most creative combination we can put on the field, wouldn't yield many goals, since neither player is a natural goalscorer. They both like to dribble and open up space by drawing two or three defenders. I think that if we play Zlatan and Del Piero, there'd be a lot of trickery and creative flicks and dribbles, but nobody on the other end of the passes to score goals.
 
Dec 26, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

oh c'mon, it's hardly the most stinging of expressions.."silly" is what a mother calls her child when he puts peas up his nose at the dinner table; compared to the other insults you'll see on this forum, "silly" should be classified as a compliment :) Anyhow I apologise if you were offended by the comment, and cheerfully withdraw it from my argument
Ok even if I don't like the example u used :)

and that's why you're not a football manager ;)
Man playing football manager dosen't make u a manger too;)


DP and Zlatan, whilst probably being the most creative combination we can put on the field, wouldn't yield many goals, since neither player is a natural goalscorer. They both like to dribble and open up space by drawing two or three defenders. I think that if we play Zlatan and Del Piero, there'd be a lot of trickery and creative flicks and dribbles, but nobody on the other end of the passes to score goals.
I said this before but anyway.... I don't think it is holy to play with a target man in u lineup.... many other teams do this...
 

gray

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++ [ originally posted by DelpieroForLife ] ++
I said this before but anyway.... I don't think it is holy to play with a target man in u lineup.... many other teams do this...
I know it's not absolutely necessary to play with a target man, which is why I'd be willing to play with Cassano and Zlatan in the same lineup (though if I had the option, I'd use an attacking Tre--Zla--Cass trident.

But due to our overall style of play (without a playmaker), it becomes necessary to have a target man, since a lot of our action comes down the wings. Having Zlatan and Trezeguet, who are two tall players with great physical presence, is essential if you're going to have Zambrotta and Camoranesi pumping in crosses all the time.

The reason why some teams can afford to play without a pure target man is because their style of play is (usually) more centralised, with most of the action going through a playmaker ala Totti, Ronaldinho
 

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