Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (317 Viewers)
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I'm going to ask the reverse, why alex will not stay? if he cares so much about juve he will stay even without contract, hell I dare say if he cares so much he should've offered himself as a coach or scout or something instead of simply want to play on the field; there's many other way he can do to help juve than playing, why don't he do that? I smell arrogance from him on this matter. *put flamesuit on*
http://asia.eurosport.com/football/...piero's-blank-contract_sto2681982/story.shtml
also an interesting line in that article when he last signed his contract
"I spoke with the president (Andrea Agnelli) not about financial matters but my willingness to make myself available for next season," said Del Piero.
so has Del Piero since told Andrea about making himself available for Juventus again next season? no instead we are constantly reading how he is keen on a move abroad, NY and LA being his preference if he were to move to the mls.
this is enough to suggest he is ready to depart
also an interesting line in that article when he last signed his contract
"I spoke with the president (Andrea Agnelli) not about financial matters but my willingness to make myself available for next season," said Del Piero.
so has Del Piero since told Andrea about making himself available for Juventus again next season? no instead we are constantly reading how he is keen on a move abroad, NY and LA being his preference if he were to move to the mls.
this is enough to suggest he is ready to depart
DP knows very well he won't play much next season if he stays. I mean ffs BORRIELLO was preferred over him several times this season, now imagine his situation when new young "quality" players will join the team's frontline during the summer: he won't even make it to the bench most of the time.
It really hurts me to say this but I don't think Ale should stay; it'd be prudent of him to leave. I really don't want to see him being left outta of the squad in a lot of games and playing a couple of minutes here and there and basically ending up like Inzaghi in Milan or something and I don't think DP wants that either. So this is going to be his last season for the club as per his decision. That said, that decision came because Ale saw that the club and coach had no intention to keep him and made no effort to make him feel like he's part of their plans next season- something which I'm sure they'll regret. I wholeheartedly believe that DP is still a valuable asset to the club even at his age. His class, quality, leadership, desire to win will be sorely missed next season. I'm sure of the club had asked him he would've stayed, but that didn't happen.
Growing up adoring him, I can't even imagine how difficult it's going to be the day he leaves and I can't imagine Juve without him. But everything has to end at some point and it's better if it ended with a winning season with him having a grand contribution than a season of him in the stands.
Forza Ale!
It really hurts me to say this but I don't think Ale should stay; it'd be prudent of him to leave. I really don't want to see him being left outta of the squad in a lot of games and playing a couple of minutes here and there and basically ending up like Inzaghi in Milan or something and I don't think DP wants that either. So this is going to be his last season for the club as per his decision. That said, that decision came because Ale saw that the club and coach had no intention to keep him and made no effort to make him feel like he's part of their plans next season- something which I'm sure they'll regret. I wholeheartedly believe that DP is still a valuable asset to the club even at his age. His class, quality, leadership, desire to win will be sorely missed next season. I'm sure of the club had asked him he would've stayed, but that didn't happen.
Growing up adoring him, I can't even imagine how difficult it's going to be the day he leaves and I can't imagine Juve without him. But everything has to end at some point and it's better if it ended with a winning season with him having a grand contribution than a season of him in the stands.
Forza Ale!
Respect by making him make same cash like average players if not less?
You're still missing the point, I never said Ale doesn't want to play abroad, I said the club made it clear that they don't want him. Of course Del Piero has stated that he wants to experience play abroad, he also said that he wants to play till he's 40years old. Then why not offer him a good contract and let him go next year when he's 38? Answer is: Agnelli doesn't want him.
No, but saying Buffon can stay here for as long as he wants but Ale's contract shouldn't be discussed now and when Agnelli announces in public when Ale is quitting the club makes the whole picture clear to me.
You're still missing the point, I never said Ale doesn't want to play abroad, I said the club made it clear that they don't want him. Of course Del Piero has stated that he wants to experience play abroad, he also said that he wants to play till he's 40years old. Then why not offer him a good contract and let him go next year when he's 38? Answer is: Agnelli doesn't want him.
No, but saying Buffon can stay here for as long as he wants but Ale's contract shouldn't be discussed now and when Agnelli announces in public when Ale is quitting the club makes the whole picture clear to me.
Yes. Thats exactly what it is. If only Trezeguet came out with a book now. It's almost like a joke, when Marrotta, interview after interview shoots down talks of renewals about a Del Piero contract, while talking about Bufffon and more recently, Conte's new contract only being a formality.
So we must take a page out of Del Piero's book and believe this is what he wants, then I wonder why the club instead of staying silent can't come out and clarify that it's Del Piero's wish. In the meanwhile, lets go by the book, because of I'm pretty sure if given the choice between the Champions League and playing football with Beckham's family, he will choose the latter. It makes perfect sense.
So we must take a page out of Del Piero's book and believe this is what he wants, then I wonder why the club instead of staying silent can't come out and clarify that it's Del Piero's wish. In the meanwhile, lets go by the book, because of I'm pretty sure if given the choice between the Champions League and playing football with Beckham's family, he will choose the latter. It makes perfect sense.
"They respected him" part was hilarious.
The same way Trezeguet was respected
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They put you to earn same wages if not less than some average players in squad. They bring players such as Boriello to play and be given more minutes than you, Del Piero says he's not quitting football and he can still play at the highest level = Buffon gets to stay at Juve as long as he wishes but Del Piero's contract isn't the right time to be discussed and also not a bit of intention or will to TRY, focus on the word TRY to keep him and they come here to tell you Del Piero wants to play abroad
, OF COURSE he wants to play abroad now more than ever if his club do not intend to see him one more year.
Trezeguet also wanted to play abroad.
Fvcking Del Piero and Trezeguet, not being faithful to this club and to Andrea the limited brain Agnelli, deciding to leave instead of honoring the club.
The same way Trezeguet was respected
---------- Post added 15.04.2012 at 13:42 ----------
They put you to earn same wages if not less than some average players in squad. They bring players such as Boriello to play and be given more minutes than you, Del Piero says he's not quitting football and he can still play at the highest level = Buffon gets to stay at Juve as long as he wishes but Del Piero's contract isn't the right time to be discussed and also not a bit of intention or will to TRY, focus on the word TRY to keep him and they come here to tell you Del Piero wants to play abroad
, OF COURSE he wants to play abroad now more than ever if his club do not intend to see him one more year. Trezeguet also wanted to play abroad.
Fvcking Del Piero and Trezeguet, not being faithful to this club and to Andrea the limited brain Agnelli, deciding to leave instead of honoring the club.
What I meant is really simple. The club have never really extended themselves to Alex, nor have they moved to clarify the situation, but have instead only ever mentioned how people like Buffon and Conte cam have contracts, as those gestures are only formalities. But when it comes to Alex, the question is dodged by saying wr don't want to focus on the dynamics of the future. Alex has shown himself to be in great shape, and if nothing else, but as a mark of respect the club needs to give him the option to reject a new contract so everybody has an answer, because as far as I'm concerned if the club asked Ale to stay, there's no way in hell he would refuse.
This book doesn't make me believe anything, seeing how Trezeguet has already been treated.
This book doesn't make me believe anything, seeing how Trezeguet has already been treated.
There are only two people who know the absolute truth, and they are both not talking until the end of the season.
All this arguing based largely on variables is only causing grief and anger to everyone on on this forum, especially since none of us here have even the faintest idea of how this all went down.
Now, allow me add some of my opinions, if I may, on this matter.
This is obviously a battle between the heart and the brain, and no matter what happens, neither the heart or brain is going to leave without scars.
Romantically speaking, it would be the ultimate if Alex were to stay another year and retire. Alex captures the heart. He is a romantic player, a player that you love, fall in love with, become emotionaly attached to, both for his on the field and off the field behaviour, performance, and grace.
That is absolutely without dispute, regardless of the level of admiration that you may have for him. The heart bypasses the brain when it comes to emotion, it doesn't allow for the brain to interject reasoning into the equation. And there is nothing wrong with that. Absolutely nothing. It is what makes us all fans of a player, a team, or a sport.
And the heart tells us that anything less than Alex retiring in a Juve jersey is as close to sacrilege as any of us could imagine.
However, the issue with only thinking through these things with your heart, and not allowing the brain to counterbalance these sway of emotions only prevents you from looking at some very real and pragmatic realizations.
Here is what my brain tells me, and some of the evidence for this reasoning can actually be found in other threads, if one puts the time in to connect the dots.
My brain is telling me that the overwhelming majority of people here on this thread, as well as articles that I have read, and many football pundits have stated on satellite radio that i listen to every morning, realize that in order for this club to take that essential step up to be one rung further up the ladder of European elite status, that the biggest change in the construct of this squad is to increase the quality of the attacker positions.
A position that Alex is currently grouped with.
In the current state, Alex is currently somewhere between a 4th and 5th choice striker. Now, one would say that based on talent alone, that is not where he should be,and I would tend to agree. However, this is the reality that has been brought upon us, by a coach who has helped engineer a fantastic 1 season turnaround.
We all see that he barely gets any playing time as it is with Vucinic, Quagliarella, and Matri currently ahead of him in the pecking order, and until recently Borriello was getting far more playing time than him. The situation would be multiplied tenfold next season if one or two new strikers are added next season. What playing time he has received this season would be reduced even more next season, to the point where it is possible that he could suffer the worst indiginty of all, and not even be on the bench for stretches at a time.
No one wants to see that. Not Juve, Not Alex, Not Us. To put "Alex Del Piero" and "useful" in the same sentence is an outrage, and an insult.
Pepe is useful.
Caceres is useful.
Alex is Legendary. Legendary players don't become useful. They play until they feel that they can no longer be who they were, and then leave.
And this is the conundrum. Juve have to move on from the Del Piero era. Not just physically, but psychologically. They need to be a team that can without him, and even moreso, realize that he won't be there to bail them out, such as he did against Lazio.
And Alex, I believe, knows this. He knows full well that changes are going to be made, that changes to the position on the pitch that he plays in are going to be made. He's many things, smart being among them.
And I feel that his heart and his brain are in perfect symmetry. He knows what he has accomplished, he knows that there isn't much more that he could possibly do as a primary component to the Juventus machine, and to be quite honest, he deserves to go to a place that will offer him new challenges, to play in a different part of the world, to play in a country that he obviously loves in the United States, and to be fairly compensated for this as well.
Keep in mind that he has been playing professional football in Italy for almost 20 years now. He's human. Being human means that in order to stimulate the mind and body, at the age of 37, new challenges are needed. New stimuli have to be set in front of you to maintain that level of love of your craft that you have had for 20 years now. We all want to see what is on the other side of the fence, regardless if the grass is indeed greener or not. We wouldn't be who we are if we weren't at least curious.
I can't fault him for being what we all are. Human. He has earned the right to think of himself first, for a change, if that is his wish. I can't fault the club for being who they are. A club, and more importantly, a business. Players sell merchandise, but winning, and winning big, are what keeps the paying public coming back. And eventually, the public finds a new hero. I've seen many, now in my 5th decade as a Juventus supporter. From Platini, to my beloved Roby, to my love Alex, to Zidane, to Nedved, to Gigi.
And that is the key. Juventus will always be Juventus. Controversy, tragedy, misfortunes have always befallen this club, and they have always bounced back with dignity. This Juventus will bounce back again post Del Piero. It will happen.
History has shown all of us that it has happened before.
All this arguing based largely on variables is only causing grief and anger to everyone on on this forum, especially since none of us here have even the faintest idea of how this all went down.
Now, allow me add some of my opinions, if I may, on this matter.
This is obviously a battle between the heart and the brain, and no matter what happens, neither the heart or brain is going to leave without scars.
Romantically speaking, it would be the ultimate if Alex were to stay another year and retire. Alex captures the heart. He is a romantic player, a player that you love, fall in love with, become emotionaly attached to, both for his on the field and off the field behaviour, performance, and grace.
That is absolutely without dispute, regardless of the level of admiration that you may have for him. The heart bypasses the brain when it comes to emotion, it doesn't allow for the brain to interject reasoning into the equation. And there is nothing wrong with that. Absolutely nothing. It is what makes us all fans of a player, a team, or a sport.
And the heart tells us that anything less than Alex retiring in a Juve jersey is as close to sacrilege as any of us could imagine.
However, the issue with only thinking through these things with your heart, and not allowing the brain to counterbalance these sway of emotions only prevents you from looking at some very real and pragmatic realizations.
Here is what my brain tells me, and some of the evidence for this reasoning can actually be found in other threads, if one puts the time in to connect the dots.
My brain is telling me that the overwhelming majority of people here on this thread, as well as articles that I have read, and many football pundits have stated on satellite radio that i listen to every morning, realize that in order for this club to take that essential step up to be one rung further up the ladder of European elite status, that the biggest change in the construct of this squad is to increase the quality of the attacker positions.
A position that Alex is currently grouped with.
In the current state, Alex is currently somewhere between a 4th and 5th choice striker. Now, one would say that based on talent alone, that is not where he should be,and I would tend to agree. However, this is the reality that has been brought upon us, by a coach who has helped engineer a fantastic 1 season turnaround.
We all see that he barely gets any playing time as it is with Vucinic, Quagliarella, and Matri currently ahead of him in the pecking order, and until recently Borriello was getting far more playing time than him. The situation would be multiplied tenfold next season if one or two new strikers are added next season. What playing time he has received this season would be reduced even more next season, to the point where it is possible that he could suffer the worst indiginty of all, and not even be on the bench for stretches at a time.
No one wants to see that. Not Juve, Not Alex, Not Us. To put "Alex Del Piero" and "useful" in the same sentence is an outrage, and an insult.
Pepe is useful.
Caceres is useful.
Alex is Legendary. Legendary players don't become useful. They play until they feel that they can no longer be who they were, and then leave.
And this is the conundrum. Juve have to move on from the Del Piero era. Not just physically, but psychologically. They need to be a team that can without him, and even moreso, realize that he won't be there to bail them out, such as he did against Lazio.
And Alex, I believe, knows this. He knows full well that changes are going to be made, that changes to the position on the pitch that he plays in are going to be made. He's many things, smart being among them.
And I feel that his heart and his brain are in perfect symmetry. He knows what he has accomplished, he knows that there isn't much more that he could possibly do as a primary component to the Juventus machine, and to be quite honest, he deserves to go to a place that will offer him new challenges, to play in a different part of the world, to play in a country that he obviously loves in the United States, and to be fairly compensated for this as well.
Keep in mind that he has been playing professional football in Italy for almost 20 years now. He's human. Being human means that in order to stimulate the mind and body, at the age of 37, new challenges are needed. New stimuli have to be set in front of you to maintain that level of love of your craft that you have had for 20 years now. We all want to see what is on the other side of the fence, regardless if the grass is indeed greener or not. We wouldn't be who we are if we weren't at least curious.
I can't fault him for being what we all are. Human. He has earned the right to think of himself first, for a change, if that is his wish. I can't fault the club for being who they are. A club, and more importantly, a business. Players sell merchandise, but winning, and winning big, are what keeps the paying public coming back. And eventually, the public finds a new hero. I've seen many, now in my 5th decade as a Juventus supporter. From Platini, to my beloved Roby, to my love Alex, to Zidane, to Nedved, to Gigi.
And that is the key. Juventus will always be Juventus. Controversy, tragedy, misfortunes have always befallen this club, and they have always bounced back with dignity. This Juventus will bounce back again post Del Piero. It will happen.
History has shown all of us that it has happened before.