Il Capitano Alessandro Del Piero (103 Viewers)
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Thats less than half of the current wage.
I'm not questioning the policy and their plan to reduce the club expenses , because I'm not against the whole idea. but that's not the right way to do it. You can not treat people like this, and Ale is not just people. He is not just a loyal player to this club, not even just holder of every single record that exist in this club. He is like a big part of Juve's identity, Juve's soul. Not the current Juve, the +100 years old Juve !
By putting price tag on everything, you are also selling your worth not just lowering the costs. It's feels sad, in a family you wont kick members because of financial reasons or for having high costs. would you?
And Ale is family. Not only what he has done for this club in almost two decades is a big glorious history itself, He gave he is all in worst conditions, he didn't say anything when in his best years Juve's coach didn't like him and didn't want to play him. He didn't say anything or ask for anything when his club went to Serie B. And would he, if he wanted to think like this?
Though I know it's not anything official or serious yet, but I'm afraid it will be soon, they didn't hesitate to sell legends like Trez just because of wage, and we hear these things about Buffon and Alex ...
I'm not questioning the policy and their plan to reduce the club expenses , because I'm not against the whole idea. but that's not the right way to do it. You can not treat people like this, and Ale is not just people. He is not just a loyal player to this club, not even just holder of every single record that exist in this club. He is like a big part of Juve's identity, Juve's soul. Not the current Juve, the +100 years old Juve !
By putting price tag on everything, you are also selling your worth not just lowering the costs. It's feels sad, in a family you wont kick members because of financial reasons or for having high costs. would you?
And Ale is family. Not only what he has done for this club in almost two decades is a big glorious history itself, He gave he is all in worst conditions, he didn't say anything when in his best years Juve's coach didn't like him and didn't want to play him. He didn't say anything or ask for anything when his club went to Serie B. And would he, if he wanted to think like this?
Though I know it's not anything official or serious yet, but I'm afraid it will be soon, they didn't hesitate to sell legends like Trez just because of wage, and we hear these things about Buffon and Alex ...
What would be the right way to do it? Treat people like what, exactly? He's a multi-millionaire many times over. His best years are well and truly behind him. He will be 37-years-old at the start of next season. No other club in the world with aspirations of winning silverware have such a player on the books, let alone on a salary in the millions. 2m euros for what, in all intents and purposes, should be a bench player next season is more than fair. He should be thanking the management for even entertaining the notion of keeping him a year further. Not the reverse. Club legend or otherwise, I swear, most of you seem to be bigger Del Piero fans than Juventus fans. What matters to me is the well-being of the club, not the stroking of some near-middle-aged footballer's ego.
So, what are you saying here exactly? That we should continue to have him as nearly our highest earner? He's above having a wage cut? Please. In fact, I don't even know what you're going on about, really? Kicking a family member? They're offering him an extension.
A lot of filler (praising Del Piero come rain or shine), but what are you really saying here? I honestly don't get it. Again, that as a long-standing servant of the club he should be given a 5m euro salary for life or something? Heh.
Legends are people, too. They have an obligation to themselves, the fans, and the club above all to call time on their careers at some point.
Personally, I think June would be a great time for him to call it quits and take up a director/president/whatever role.
New stadium, new chapter, new beginning.
So, what are you saying here exactly? That we should continue to have him as nearly our highest earner? He's above having a wage cut? Please. In fact, I don't even know what you're going on about, really? Kicking a family member? They're offering him an extension.
A lot of filler (praising Del Piero come rain or shine), but what are you really saying here? I honestly don't get it. Again, that as a long-standing servant of the club he should be given a 5m euro salary for life or something? Heh.
Legends are people, too. They have an obligation to themselves, the fans, and the club above all to call time on their careers at some point.
Personally, I think June would be a great time for him to call it quits and take up a director/president/whatever role.
New stadium, new chapter, new beginning.
Well, That's another point of veiw which I respect but dont agree.
1- what matters to me is well being of the club too. I'm no Del piero fan boy at all, In fact I liked Nedved and Buffon more. I become a Juventino because of Buffon. but what I'm trying to say is, A club is not just about financial and Technical aspects. There is something more. And I agree, If he is not good enough, doesn't matter to me if coach put him on the bench. The club is above all, but you should not forget that the club as the bigger picture, is made of these smaller things. Its these players that write their own history here which make a club like Juve that glorious.
2- While moving to another chapter you need to bring the identity of team to new player as well. Forget about the experience and spirit, What will be the impact of this style of management to young players? If a young player realize that, no matter how long or how good or how loyal he stay and play for this club, there will be no difference between him and others. And while they know one day they might just kicked out of club like Trez or asked to lower his wage like Del piero or buffon, do they still be as loyal as these legend? do they want to sacrifice themselves for this shirt or put the club interests above themselves? or they look at to this the same way, like a deal. when doesn't benefit them anymore, they will leave.
3- When you say Millions, its sounds different. But its not like those 2.5 million we are cutting from Del piero wage is going to get us anywhere here. You are really short of income, you sell one of your players to cover that. Does this 2 ml really worth this? 2 million is not really that much money to show a legend like Del piero respect. Is it? And it's not lifetime, its one or two year max. It's not going to ruin these Five years plans of our board !
4- We are wasting way to much money on fee and wage of useless player and throwing a lot of money out lately that now when you put this 2 million on the table as problem doesn't make sense. when you want fix that, you don't go start with your club legends. you don't offer Toni 3.5 ml and then ask Alex to reduce his to 2 ml. That in my idea, is lack of respect toward players who gave this club a lot.
1- what matters to me is well being of the club too. I'm no Del piero fan boy at all, In fact I liked Nedved and Buffon more. I become a Juventino because of Buffon. but what I'm trying to say is, A club is not just about financial and Technical aspects. There is something more. And I agree, If he is not good enough, doesn't matter to me if coach put him on the bench. The club is above all, but you should not forget that the club as the bigger picture, is made of these smaller things. Its these players that write their own history here which make a club like Juve that glorious.
2- While moving to another chapter you need to bring the identity of team to new player as well. Forget about the experience and spirit, What will be the impact of this style of management to young players? If a young player realize that, no matter how long or how good or how loyal he stay and play for this club, there will be no difference between him and others. And while they know one day they might just kicked out of club like Trez or asked to lower his wage like Del piero or buffon, do they still be as loyal as these legend? do they want to sacrifice themselves for this shirt or put the club interests above themselves? or they look at to this the same way, like a deal. when doesn't benefit them anymore, they will leave.
3- When you say Millions, its sounds different. But its not like those 2.5 million we are cutting from Del piero wage is going to get us anywhere here. You are really short of income, you sell one of your players to cover that. Does this 2 ml really worth this? 2 million is not really that much money to show a legend like Del piero respect. Is it? And it's not lifetime, its one or two year max. It's not going to ruin these Five years plans of our board !
4- We are wasting way to much money on fee and wage of useless player and throwing a lot of money out lately that now when you put this 2 million on the table as problem doesn't make sense. when you want fix that, you don't go start with your club legends. you don't offer Toni 3.5 ml and then ask Alex to reduce his to 2 ml. That in my idea, is lack of respect toward players who gave this club a lot.
Juventus, for quite some time, has actually been very stringent in terms of trying to maintain self-reliance, financially. It has to, as the owners can't simply bankroll losses at a whim, unlike others, particularly with regard to the impending FFP.
I perfectly understand your sentiment that a club (ideally) should be more than a business, in fact, sometimes more than a sporting organization even. To many it may reflect aspects of lifestyle, as well; things like values, comradery, whatever. It's a nice idea, of course, but where do you draw the line? Should Del Piero, in repayment for his long career, be on club salary forever? Does his contribution merit an irrefutable place on the field, forever? Further, should he sensibly be drawing the same wages as when he was in his prime? I mean, really, it isn't even an issue of disrespect to ask him to lower what he earns. It's just how it goes in the profession, naturally. For good reason, too.
I see where you're coming from here, but again, it's an issue of when enough reaches enough. Del Piero is one of two proven winners left (alongside Buffon). He has it in his blood to win, and more importantly, to win with Juventus. The thing is, he's been alongside this core group of the "new" Juventus for quite sometime. Whatever magic he might have in those boots, words, tricks, whatever, must surely have been imparted by now. If it hasn't, then it never will be. Does keeping him, at the tail-end of his career, for yet another year, make much of a difference? I think not. I think letting him go would be in the best interests of the team. Think about it. "Del Piero retires." If nothing in the world could spur management (what, with the new stadium coming, too) to put in a serious investment in hopes of netting us a true superstar, this would have to do it. They'd have no choice. On the other hand, Del Piero dragging out his career another year may soften their stance. They may think, again, "Okay, Del Piero stays and will play a substantial role." Where would that lead us? To another half-assed market policy upfront, I'm almost certain of it. The thing with him staying is his mere presence seems to dictate that he commands playing-time, especially with a weaker coach like Del Neri (Capello, meanwhile, was too strong a character to let a player walk all over him).
As for the rest, I think you're overstating it. Del Piero's had a long and distinguished career with the club. That's fact. Now? He barely resembles the player he used to be. That's also fact. The club can't coddle him until he reaches the need for an assisted-living facility. I can't imagine that younger players would see the club gently nudging him to call time on his career as some maltreatment. If anything, you could make that case with Trezeguet. Del Piero, though? Not really. I've never seen a player so well-treated at this stage of his career, actually. Perhaps Totti. Although, that new contract of his was the most foolish thing Roma's done in years (and that's a lot of foolhardy things they've done to compete with, too). Even Maldini, who played on way too long, took a big salary slashing.
Millions is what it is. It's not small amounts we're talking about. Just because there's been plenty of waste through mistakes on part of the management in other areas doesn't somehow justify further waste on inflated and unnecessary contracts (again, simply to maintain some pretense of "respecting Del Piero").
Again, mistakes don't correct other mistakes.
As for Toni, word around the campfire is that his contract in its entirety will be worth 3.5m euro total (for this half of the season, and next season).
It's a bit vague.
I perfectly understand your sentiment that a club (ideally) should be more than a business, in fact, sometimes more than a sporting organization even. To many it may reflect aspects of lifestyle, as well; things like values, comradery, whatever. It's a nice idea, of course, but where do you draw the line? Should Del Piero, in repayment for his long career, be on club salary forever? Does his contribution merit an irrefutable place on the field, forever? Further, should he sensibly be drawing the same wages as when he was in his prime? I mean, really, it isn't even an issue of disrespect to ask him to lower what he earns. It's just how it goes in the profession, naturally. For good reason, too.
I see where you're coming from here, but again, it's an issue of when enough reaches enough. Del Piero is one of two proven winners left (alongside Buffon). He has it in his blood to win, and more importantly, to win with Juventus. The thing is, he's been alongside this core group of the "new" Juventus for quite sometime. Whatever magic he might have in those boots, words, tricks, whatever, must surely have been imparted by now. If it hasn't, then it never will be. Does keeping him, at the tail-end of his career, for yet another year, make much of a difference? I think not. I think letting him go would be in the best interests of the team. Think about it. "Del Piero retires." If nothing in the world could spur management (what, with the new stadium coming, too) to put in a serious investment in hopes of netting us a true superstar, this would have to do it. They'd have no choice. On the other hand, Del Piero dragging out his career another year may soften their stance. They may think, again, "Okay, Del Piero stays and will play a substantial role." Where would that lead us? To another half-assed market policy upfront, I'm almost certain of it. The thing with him staying is his mere presence seems to dictate that he commands playing-time, especially with a weaker coach like Del Neri (Capello, meanwhile, was too strong a character to let a player walk all over him).
As for the rest, I think you're overstating it. Del Piero's had a long and distinguished career with the club. That's fact. Now? He barely resembles the player he used to be. That's also fact. The club can't coddle him until he reaches the need for an assisted-living facility. I can't imagine that younger players would see the club gently nudging him to call time on his career as some maltreatment. If anything, you could make that case with Trezeguet. Del Piero, though? Not really. I've never seen a player so well-treated at this stage of his career, actually. Perhaps Totti. Although, that new contract of his was the most foolish thing Roma's done in years (and that's a lot of foolhardy things they've done to compete with, too). Even Maldini, who played on way too long, took a big salary slashing.
Millions is what it is. It's not small amounts we're talking about. Just because there's been plenty of waste through mistakes on part of the management in other areas doesn't somehow justify further waste on inflated and unnecessary contracts (again, simply to maintain some pretense of "respecting Del Piero").
Again, mistakes don't correct other mistakes.
As for Toni, word around the campfire is that his contract in its entirety will be worth 3.5m euro total (for this half of the season, and next season).
It's a bit vague.
stupid betclic 
That logo is the worst. Cracks and creases so easily not to mention looks like shit.
And I'd love to see Del Piero play in the new stadium but it's not fair to the team to comp him so much for mainly sitting in the bench at a time when we don't have any money. If we were back in 2005, no problem, he could be like Giggs and Scholes are now. Unfortunately, we're not even close to that team.
And I'd love to see Del Piero play in the new stadium but it's not fair to the team to comp him so much for mainly sitting in the bench at a time when we don't have any money. If we were back in 2005, no problem, he could be like Giggs and Scholes are now. Unfortunately, we're not even close to that team.