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[Red]

yea and i guess we cant rely on giovinco or diego to score for us..

Both are unknowns to some extent.

Both will chip in with the odd goal, but I'm not sure either will come up with a high enough return to make the system work.

To me, a 4-2-3-1 system works as long as there is a deep lying playmaker and a destroyer in front of the defense.

You can't have two destroyers back there. It ruins the whole chain of fluidity, and causes the 3 upfront to have to fall back in much deeper positions to get any sort of attack started.

I wouldn't necessarily say you need a playmaker back there, but you certainly need someone with decent passing.

I would, for instance, consider Marchisio's passing good enough for him to play with a destroyer back there.

 

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[KB824]

Both are unknowns to some extent.

Both will chip in with the odd goal, but I'm not sure either will come up with a high enough return to make the system work.




I wouldn't necessarily say you need a playmaker back there, but you certainly need someone with decent passing.

I would, for instance, consider Marchisio's passing good enough for him to play with a destroyer back there.

For thesake of sounding like a "me too" kind of person, I was just debating with myself as to whether or not he could fill that role. I think he can. I don't know if he ca be a Pirlo type player, but I think he can be close, and he has a deadly long range shot as well

 

[Red]

For thesake of sounding like a "me too" kind of person, I was just debating with myself as to whether or not he could fill that role. I think he can. I don't know if he ca be a Pirlo type player, but I think he can be close, and he has a deadly long range shot as well

He'll never be a Pirlo, but the centre mid's passing doesn't need to be that brilliant in a 4-2-3-1.

As long as the movement of the three attacking midfielders is decent, he should always have plenty of passing options.

I loved it when the midfield pairing under Ranieri was Marchisio and Sissoko. The passing may not have been great, but there mobility and tough tackling allowed Juve to press the opposition hard and high up the pitch and made teams work really hard to even reach the defence.

 

[Lo-Pan]

The difference with Nedved is that the guy never had an "off switch", whether it was against Inter or Arezzo, he had the same mentality game in, game out.

But if it makes you feel any better, I'll come over there and hug you

That is a wicked way of putting it...Though I would enjoy elaborating on what being switched ON, meant, in terms of Nedved...For he was a human dynamo, who not only lived the cause, but fought the cause, and alligned it, with, for the majority of his career, quite superb technical abilities. To face a player technically superb, in an east european sense, who ALSO possesses the hunger, drive, zeal, of a true Berserker, is a FAR more daunting prospect, than facing the Marchisio of today.

Nedved, was that rare thing...A Technically gifted Warrior. There are very few players like him. Of the Now, or yesteryear. And to some degree, he was an enigma. his loss from our squad this season, has hit us much harder than most people seem to ponder or realize. For does it not seem more than mere co-incidence, that...one of the most intensely spirited players in the world game, leaves us, and our first period without him, shows the least spirited Juventus I have seen in 15 years of following the club?

 

[KB824]

That is a wicked way of putting it...Though I would enjoy elaborating on what being switched ON, meant, in terms of Nedved...For he was a human dynamo, who not only lived the cause, but fought the cause, and alligned it, with, for the majority of his career, quite superb technical abilities. To face a player technically superb, in an east european sense, who ALSO possesses the hunger, drive, zeal, of a true Berserker, is a FAR more daunting prospect, than facing the Marchisio of today.

Nedved, was that rare thing...A Technically gifted Warrior. There are very few players like him. Of the Now, or yesteryear. And to some degree, he was an enigma. his loss from our squad this season, has hit us much harder than most people seem to ponder or realize. For does it not seem more than mere co-incidence, that...one of the most intensely spirited players in the world game, leaves us, and our first period without him, shows the least spirited Juventus I have seen in 15 years of following the club?

I think you basically summed it up. He played every game as if it was his last.

 

[ggnoree]

Hi!! I'm Italien, I don't want to argue with your other points now but I want to ask you something. Why do you want for us to sell Buffon. He is the best keeper in the world, and no matter what money we take for him that still means that we are going to have to spend a good amount of them for a new keeper to replace him. The goalkeeper is not there just to save impossible shots like Buffon often does. The GK often organizes the defenders in front of him etc. He is just too important for us, and got too many years ahead of him at the top level to be sold. I just don't get your logic about selling him?

 

[Red]

Because sometimes it is better to sell an asset when it is still of a high value, rather than running that asset into the ground until it is worth nothing.

 

[Luca]

Hi!! I'm Italien, I don't want to argue with your other points now but I want to ask you something. Why do you want for us to sell Buffon. He is the best keeper in the world, and no matter what money we take for him that still means that we are going to have to spend a good amount of them for a new keeper to replace him. The goalkeeper is not there just to save impossible shots like Buffon often does. The GK often organizes the defenders in front of him etc. He is just too important for us, and got too many years ahead of him at the top level to be sold. I just don't get your logic about selling him?

i'm not trying to steal sergio's fire but for the good of the team this has to be done, sacrificing 1 player to gain many more in positions that are needed is completely logical, we would be 10 times better with a world class defence and a solid keeper than having a world class keeper and an sham of a defence, Buffon has look very poor there this season.
It's not like there are no other decent keepers around, Handanovic is a very good example.
Where else are we going to get the money to stop the rot of this team, i'm with sergio, for the good of the future of this club Buffon has to go.

 

[Red]

Not necessarily.

If the transfer budget is big enough, it may be possible to make the required changes and keep Buffon.

 

[KB824]

Hi!! I'm Italien, I don't want to argue with your other points now but I want to ask you something. Why do you want for us to sell Buffon. He is the best keeper in the world, and no matter what money we take for him that still means that we are going to have to spend a good amount of them for a new keeper to replace him. The goalkeeper is not there just to save impossible shots like Buffon often does. The GK often organizes the defenders in front of him etc. He is just too important for us, and got too many years ahead of him at the top level to be sold. I just don't get your logic about selling him?

here is my logic about selling him.

He is currently one of the top 2 or 3 keepers in the world, correct?

He is also, when you take a look at the available assets to sell, the most attractive, and therefore the most lucrative, correct?

This Juventus squad has a ton of holes to fill, everywhere from the defense, to the attack, wouldn't you agree?

Would you also agree that Juventus does not have an unlimited budget to which they can just go and throw money at their problems?

If you say "yes" to all of these scenarios, then you have to ask yourself, what other choice do they have?

Diego is going to be, for better or for worse (personally I think better) one of the cornerstones of Juve 2.0, so he cannot be sold. He is still 24 years old, and has flashed displays of immense talent.

Melo, unless he somehow gets his head out of his ass, and has a spectacular season going forward, coupled with a terrific world cup, will have severly diminished in value.

Its not a question of I want to, Its a question of having to, if this team wants to have any chance at all of rebuilding everything from the ground up.

Whatever budget they may have lined up for transfers, I feel, will not be enough. Especially considering that CL qualification seems to be less and less likely every day. And even if they do qualify, there is simply not enough depth, youth, and pace on this team to deal with the rigors of being in three tournaments throughout the season.

It is not a question of his quality, I never once disputed that. It is merely a question of economics.

Personally, I feel that this team could be OK with a tandem of manninger and whatever young GK they manage to pick up to deputize until he is ready for the first team.

I really don't think they have a choice in the matter, and I would liken it to Kaka's situation at Milan last year, although I do think, and hope, that the money acquired will be used to revolutionize the club. Unlike most of the squads in Serie A, Juventus has managed to maintain a level of profitablilty, so I don't see another episode where Milan refused to re-inforce the team, because they were so far in the red to begin with.

 

[KB824]

Not necessarily.

If the transfer budget is big enough, it may be possible to make the required changes and keep Buffon.

However, the budget hasn't been set, and if you look at it pragmatically, in the current state that the team is in now, you really can't count on CL qualification money at this point.

And as I stated in my previous post, even if they somehow manage to qualify for the CL, there is simply not enough depth on the squad to be competitive in three tournaments.

 

[Luca]

Not necessarily.

If the transfer budget is big enough, it may be possible to make the required changes and keep Buffon.

I think thats a big if Red, we're not the richest club around and we are not even sure of Champions league qualification. Id be all in for selling Buffon for around the 25+M mark using some of that on a solid young keeper a la Handanovic and clubbing the left over money from the Buffon sale with our transfer budget to fill the holes properly.

 

[Red]

However, the budget hasn't been set, and if you look at it pragmatically, in the current state that the team is in now, you really can't count on CL qualification money at this point.

And as I stated in my previous post, even if they somehow manage to qualify for the CL, there is simply not enough depth on the squad to be competitive in three tournaments.

Sure.

Like I said, it depends on the budget.

I would also question whether it is going to be practical for Juve to make all these changes in one go.

The revamp of the squad is probably going to take at least two and possibly three summers, so it will be dependent on the budget over a few years.

Like I say, I'm not necessarily against selling Buffon. I just feel there is not yet enough information out there to make a properly informed judgement.

 

[Luca]

Sure.

Like I said, it depends on the budget.

I would also question whether it is going to be practical for Juve to make all these changes in one go.

The revamp of the squad is probably going to take at least two and possibly three summers, so it will be dependent on the budget over a few years.

Like I say, I'm not necessarily against selling Buffon. I just feel there is not yet enough information out there to make a properly informed judgement.

Anyone heard of this tactic before?

 

[KB824]

Luca, how is everything with you lately?

 

[Luca]

Luca, how is everything with you lately?

Everythings fine, I went to a few of these sessions, they really opened my eyes.
I know it's cliched but I woke up one day and realised that I have absolultey nothing to worry about so why should I? I'm looking much more positivley at things now and it's not forced like it used to be.
Thanks for asking Sergio

 

[Red]

Anyone heard of this tactic before?

I deliberately avoided the word 'project'.

It's true, though; you can't re-model a squad in one summer, unless you happen to have an unlimited supply of cash.

 

[KB824]

Everythings fine, I went to a few of these sessions, they really opened my eyes.
I know it's cliched but I woke up one day and realised that I have absolultey nothing to worry about so why should I? I'm looking much more positivley at things now and it's not forced like it used to be.
Thanks for asking Sergio

I'm very glad to hear that, and I'm here if you need to talk

 

[Hust]

Buffon stays. End of discussion. They are other players we should be looking to sell, not Gigi.

Maybe we should sell Chiellini then and use that money on younger talented defenders. Right.

 

[Luca]

I deliberately avoided the word 'project'.

It's true, though; you can't re-model a squad in one summer, unless you happen to have an unlimited supply of cash.

The most unholy word of all on this forum.

I do have to agree with you though, we are not Real Madrid. But like most other people will point out, whats going to stop us making the same transfer mistakes as last time?

And this would apply to any type of transfer strategy we use.