Our midfielders aren't good, our wingbacks are fucking terrible. What does this genius do? Force us to play a system where you need amazing double pivots and wingbacks.
Sack 'em.
Sack 'em.
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There’s probably more than a few things that Tudor got wrong today but the one that truly baffles me is why did Gatti have to play the full second half while being on a yellow and showing multiple glimpses of clumsiness in the first half, i really think that one of the main reasons why Verona were so free to come at us was also because Gatti becomes completely useless once he is on a yellow and has to play it safe, he is all about the physicality and i feel our lack of aggressiveness in defense was down to this decision, more so with Kelly being on a yellow too.
That aside, we seriously need to improve on many aspects.
That aside, we seriously need to improve on many aspects.
The subs were all terrible. We completely lost any momentum and it didn't look like they knew where they were playing.
He needs to find a solution to Kelly at LCB and our centre mid. Gatti is not a viable option to rest Bremer, I'd be much more comfortable with Rugani.
I'd like to see him try Perin too.
He needs to find a solution to Kelly at LCB and our centre mid. Gatti is not a viable option to rest Bremer, I'd be much more comfortable with Rugani.
I'd like to see him try Perin too.
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The penalty call was not the only decision that Tudor has taken issue with this evening.
“Then there’s the red card for the foul against Gatti,” the coach said, “I was right there, I saw it myself.”
Gatti took an elbow to the face from Gialloblu goalscorer Gift Orban, yet no red card was given.
“He didn’t charge, that’s how you have to go in, I’ve never seen two decisions like that”, Tudor said, “I don’t know what to say. And then, it has to be said, we lacked energy today, even though we prepared at our best.”
The reporter then showed the coach an image of Orban’s elbow on Gatti, “I mean, if you don’t give a red for that, I don’t know what you give a red for. He wasn’t even looking… if that’s not a red, honestly, it’s a disgrace.”
Tudor doubled down on his comments “A disgrace. With VAR, today, these two decisions – no – I don’t want to make excuses, but in the end matches are decided like this.”
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He was very vocal about the shit refereeing, and i like that he didn’t hold back despite not necessarily looking for excuses, did also point to our own mistakes, in fact primarily he only started ranting after the post match show pundits that interviewed him pointed out to Tudor that the PK shouldn’t have been awarded and the fact a blatant red card was omitted by VAR which obviously influenced the result, they even showed him the replays while at it, therefore he seized the right moment as the narrative of poor decisions by the ref was already out there.
I like that he's speaking out about particular incidents in a game, I doubt that it would change anything because after all these years VAR still remains a mystery and an enigma, like what is it exactly, why is it so lawless, why it takes so much time to figure out some basic strict rules that would be clear for everyone and implemented everywhere anytime all the time for everyone, and so on...
If VAR team 1 ignores a clear handball and penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 ignores a clear handball and penalty against Juve that's okay, if VAR team 1 calls a clear handball a penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 calls a clear handball a penalty against Juve that's also okay, but if VAR team 1 ignores a clear handball and penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 calls a clear handball a penalty against Juve then that's a problem and it's a human error, so humans operating the system are responsible and fucking it all up, as usual...
Spot on with red cards also, referees and VAR dudes are happy and generous giving them to Juve players when hitting opponents in the head, why aren't they doing the same when Juve players are hit in the head ?
Players should have done much more today to claim the win, they didn't and we deservedly didn't win, the manager should focus on why that was and how to be better in the future, but I don't mind at all Tudor calling out specific incidents that are ruled against us in one game and literally same/similar ones that are ignored when it would be in our favour...
There's either both penalties for Juve Vs Dortmund and for Verona Vs Juve or no penalty in both games, there's either both red cards for Cambiaso Vs Parma and the Verona dude Vs Gatti or no red cards at all, when it's this selective and calls against Juve are made but same ones in Juve's favour are ignored then that's a clear issue that needs to addressed, Tudor is addressing it so I'm happy someone finally is, I don't think it would make a difference or change anything at all but injustice should be definitely called out regardless
If VAR team 1 ignores a clear handball and penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 ignores a clear handball and penalty against Juve that's okay, if VAR team 1 calls a clear handball a penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 calls a clear handball a penalty against Juve that's also okay, but if VAR team 1 ignores a clear handball and penalty for Juve and 4 days later VAR team 2 calls a clear handball a penalty against Juve then that's a problem and it's a human error, so humans operating the system are responsible and fucking it all up, as usual...
Spot on with red cards also, referees and VAR dudes are happy and generous giving them to Juve players when hitting opponents in the head, why aren't they doing the same when Juve players are hit in the head ?
Players should have done much more today to claim the win, they didn't and we deservedly didn't win, the manager should focus on why that was and how to be better in the future, but I don't mind at all Tudor calling out specific incidents that are ruled against us in one game and literally same/similar ones that are ignored when it would be in our favour...
There's either both penalties for Juve Vs Dortmund and for Verona Vs Juve or no penalty in both games, there's either both red cards for Cambiaso Vs Parma and the Verona dude Vs Gatti or no red cards at all, when it's this selective and calls against Juve are made but same ones in Juve's favour are ignored then that's a clear issue that needs to addressed, Tudor is addressing it so I'm happy someone finally is, I don't think it would make a difference or change anything at all but injustice should be definitely called out regardless
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The penalty call was not the only decision that Tudor has taken issue with this evening.
“Then there’s the red card for the foul against Gatti,” the coach said, “I was right there, I saw it myself.”
Gatti took an elbow to the face from Gialloblu goalscorer Gift Orban, yet no red card was given.
“He didn’t charge, that’s how you have to go in, I’ve never seen two decisions like that”, Tudor said, “I don’t know what to say. And then, it has to be said, we lacked energy today, even though we prepared at our best.”
The reporter then showed the coach an image of Orban’s elbow on Gatti, “I mean, if you don’t give a red for that, I don’t know what you give a red for. He wasn’t even looking… if that’s not a red, honestly, it’s a disgrace.”
Tudor doubled down on his comments “A disgrace. With VAR, today, these two decisions – no – I don’t want to make excuses, but in the end matches are decided like this.”
We also need to be way more organised, too often we are just flailing in the midfield and backline.
It’s good that Tudor is finally speaking out, but maybe it’s time the club itself gets serious. Comolli should be bringing this issue forward with lawyers and official complaints. This isn’t about just one or two games, since VAR was introduced, decisions against Juve in Serie A feel more like 90-10, not 50-50. We who are watching the games know this perfectly well.
This isn’t simple human error anymore. It looks like corruption, and unless we act, it will continue.
There’s enough evidence to show a clear trend: VAR has been repeatedly used against Juve while ignoring incidents for us. We’ve lost points directly because of this.
How many times have obvious red-card offenses by Juve’s opponents gone unreviewed?
How many times have incorrect offside lines been drawn that cost us goals and points — with the referees still officiating Serie A games as if nothing happened?
The Kalulu fiasco is just one example: the referee had a terrible replay angle, yet handed a red card in under 4 seconds.
And that’s just scratching the surface. With proper review, I’m sure there are more than 50 clear incidents in the last 5 seasons where Juve were on the wrong end of VAR decisions. The club employs match annalysts, they should be compiling this evidence.
If we want Juventus to remain credible and start winning titles, it’s time to act off the pitch as well as on it. If this goes unchallenged, the only way to survive will be building a team so dominant it wins 3–4 goals clear every match. That would take years and hundreds of millions, but why should we have to do thwt, when the real issue is biased refereeing and unchecked corruption?
This isn’t simple human error anymore. It looks like corruption, and unless we act, it will continue.
There’s enough evidence to show a clear trend: VAR has been repeatedly used against Juve while ignoring incidents for us. We’ve lost points directly because of this.
How many times have obvious red-card offenses by Juve’s opponents gone unreviewed?
How many times have incorrect offside lines been drawn that cost us goals and points — with the referees still officiating Serie A games as if nothing happened?
The Kalulu fiasco is just one example: the referee had a terrible replay angle, yet handed a red card in under 4 seconds.
And that’s just scratching the surface. With proper review, I’m sure there are more than 50 clear incidents in the last 5 seasons where Juve were on the wrong end of VAR decisions. The club employs match annalysts, they should be compiling this evidence.
If we want Juventus to remain credible and start winning titles, it’s time to act off the pitch as well as on it. If this goes unchallenged, the only way to survive will be building a team so dominant it wins 3–4 goals clear every match. That would take years and hundreds of millions, but why should we have to do thwt, when the real issue is biased refereeing and unchecked corruption?
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These next few games will prove if we can count on him this season or he's just another Balkan version of Motta
This 2 man midfield system isn't helping his case. Need to make adjustments asap else our season could end in October looking at the fixture list.
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Milan (H)
Como (A)
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Lazio (A)
These next few games will prove if we can count on him this season or he's just another Balkan version of Motta
This 2 man midfield system isn't helping his case. Need to make adjustments asap else our season could end in October looking at the fixture list.