Ideal Political/Economic System (5 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

Putting it mildly, yes.



And yet you vote for the furthest right party you have available. The very people who oppose government regulation of major corporations, wellfare, increased public schooling and infrastructure investments with no capital return but with massive social bonuses.

That's not even accurate the democrats and republicans are the same party with diminishing returns. The labels are fake. America is almost a plutonomy now

 

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[AndreaCristiano]

Socialism and unregulated capitalism both suck.

A mixed system is what works best.

Agreed 100%

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Oh and thanks for the compliment btw, you're very sparse with them so I have to acknowledge one when I hear it.



Didn't you want a purely libertarian party? :undecide:

oh and if you're going to say that socialism sucks you best explain to me why and how.

Pure libertarian without checks ends up in anarchy

 

[Maddy]

That's not even accurate the democrats and republicans are the same party with diminishing returns. The labels are fake. America is almost a plutonomy now

want to give the less fortunate a better life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

 

[Nzoric]

That's not even accurate the democrats and republicans are the same party with diminishing returns. The labels are fake. America is almost a plutonomy now

Yes it is. You are presented with two opportunities, albiet both are very conservative in my eyes, one is worse than the other. You have been vigorously defending the most conservative of your options and taking every chance possible to vote for it. You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

[Trequartista]

Oh and thanks for the compliment btw, you're very sparse with them so I have to acknowledge one when I hear it.



Didn't you want a purely libertarian party? :undecide:

oh and if you're going to say that socialism sucks you best explain to me why and how.

No, I'm for regulations and economic nationalism which doesn't make me a real libertarian, I guess.

About socialism, I don't like central planning and the state being that powerful. Why? Because I don't trust politicians to spend my money better than I do. Also, socialism restricts individual liberties, which is bad.

 

[Maddy]

socialism restricts individual liberties, which is bad.

socialism might. social democratism doesnt. im as free and has as many - if not more liberties - than the inhabitants of the land of the free.

 

[Trequartista]

socialism might. social democratism doesnt. im as free and has as many - if not more liberties - than the inhabitants of the land of the free.

I'm referring to socialism, not to the nordic model which I consider alright(I prefer the "Canadian" system, though).

If Nzoric and I are not talking about the same thing, well it's his fault as he didn't make the distinction

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yes it is. You are presented with two opportunities, albiet both are very conservative in my eyes, one is worse than the other. You have been vigorously defending the most conservative of your options and taking every chance possible to vote for it. You can't have your cake and eat it.

My vote for the repubs is do to my inability to support abortion and also being a business owner I can not stomach the democrats attack on business

 

[AndreaCristiano]

want to give the less fortunate a better life?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

I do much charity work both personally and financially for the poor which I believe does more than the government can ever do

 

[AndreaCristiano]

No, I'm for regulations and economic nationalism which doesn't make me a real libertarian, I guess.

About socialism, I don't like central planning and the state being that powerful. Why? Because I don't trust politicians to spend my money better than I do. Also, socialism restricts individual liberties, which is bad.

So we agree on much

 

[Trequartista]

So we agree on much

Not on religion, though

 

[Maddy]

I do much charity work both personally and financially for the poor which I believe does more than the government can ever do

you believe and dats mighty fine.

but no one can argue against the results of the nordic model. of course its not as simple as "lest implement it in merica" but free will and personal charity havent done much in merica so far.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Not on religion, though

Didn't say all cuz

 

[AndreaCristiano]

you believe and dats mighty fine.

but no one can argue against the results of the nordic model. of course its not as simple as "lest implement it in merica" but free will and personal charity havent done much in merica so far.

Not true a lot is done but when the machine works against the personal charity scenario it makes it difficult

 

[Maddy]

I'm referring to socialism, not to the nordic model which I consider alright(I prefer the "Canadian" system, though).

 

[Trequartista]

you believe and dats mighty fine.

but no one can argue against the results of the nordic model. of course its not as simple as "lest implement it in merica" but free will and personal charity havent done much in merica so far.

The nordic model works well.

So does Canada's

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The people who think the Nordic Model is socialist have no clue what socialism is, by the way.

The Nordic Model is a mixed economy/system.

 

[swag]

Models, schmodels.

Any '-ism' is only as good as the person or people who believe in it.

Arguing over which is a better system or not puts mistaken faith into processes over people, when it's people who ultimately carry a system through to success or failure.

The greatest political systems in the world are no match to shit leaders.

 

[Maddy]

Models, schmodels.

Any '-ism' is only as good as the person or people who believe in it.

Arguing over which is a better system or not puts mistaken faith into processes over people, when it's people who ultimately carry a system through to success or failure.

The greatest political systems in the world are no match to shit leaders.

oh you say. well that settles it.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Models, schmodels.

Any '-ism' is only as good as the person or people who believe in it.

Arguing over which is a better system or not puts mistaken faith into processes over people, when it's people who ultimately carry a system through to success or failure.

The greatest political systems in the world are no match to $#@! leaders.

Yes but there must be a system that is better