Horrendous Iranian Rape Torture Ordeal (1 Viewer)

[Fred]

This isn't about whose worse the Muslims\Arabs\Irani's or the Americans. I don't care whose worse, but when your house is made of glass don't go throwing stones at other people's houses.

I was replying to Aaron's post.

 

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[Salvo]

im just saying it always ends like this instead of uniting and saying this is wrong, it becomes ooooh my religion is better than yours or i dont believe in god im better than you. its just immature

 

[Seven]

im just saying it always ends like this instead of uniting and saying this is wrong, it becomes ooooh my religion is better than yours or i dont believe in god im better than you. its just immature

I am better than people who believe in a God.

 

[Fred]

That can't be, because i am better than you.

 

[Ford Prefect]

I am better than people who believe in a God.

Hear Hear

 

[HelterSkelter]

I am better than people who believe in a God.

So polytheists take you for a ride everytime?

 

[Seven]

That can't be, because i am better than you.

I know. Our books conflict. But I'm really sure mine is right.

So polytheists take you for a ride everytime?

Yes. Polytheists by definition believe in a god. They believe in several, so they must believe in one too. They just don't believe it's the only one.

 

[king Ale]

No he doesn't, if I read between the lines correctly. At least not in the sense you think he does. He only brought it up because of what Aaron said.

Oh of course. So people deliberately make no sense when they want to respond someone who doesn't make sense to them. Great way of pointing out the others' faults I must say. A kills B's father. Let's kill A's father to show him how it feels.

I think you mean Iranian Islamic Values.

Generalizing the entire spectrum of Islamic Values under what you see in your country is wrong.

Right, Iranian Islamic values. Libyan Islamic values. Saudi Arabian Islamic values. Afghan Islamic values. Every Islamic country's Islamic values. I sure wasn't talking about Mohammad's Islamic values because I haven't lived in his era even though based on some stories, there had been tons of great human values at his time which I frankly can't see them (or anything even any close to them) in any Islamic country right now. Actually, you can find such values more in those "infidel" Western countries.

Iran makes Pakistan look like heaven

Don't know anything about how Pakistan is being ruled to be honest but talking about heaven, unlike what you think, I'd prefer living in Iran, in which people do care about their rights and fight for them rather than living in an Arab Gulf country in which people's rights are being constantly ignored and insulted yet the whole society is silent.

I, unlike what you think, prefer to stay in my country, facing with its problems, having my little part to make it be a better place to live rather than yelling "ايران زنده باد" from thousands of kilometers away.

This isn't about whose worse the Muslims\Arabs\Irani's or the Americans. I don't care whose worse, but when your house is made of glass don't go throwing stones at other people's houses.

I was replying to Aaron's post.

This is what you did as well.

And btw, why don't you care about which one is worse?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Right, Iranian Islamic values. Libyan Islamic values. Saudi Arabian Islamic values. Afghan Islamic values. Every Islamic country's Islamic values. I sure wasn't talking about Mohammad's Islamic values because I haven't lived in his era even though based on some stories, there had been tons of great human values at his time which I frankly can't see them (or anything even any close to them) in any Islamic country right now. Actually, you can find such values more in those "infidel" Western countries.



Don't know anything about how Pakistan is being ruled to be honest but talking about heaven, unlike what you think, I'd prefer living in Iran, in which people do care about their rights and fight for them rather than living in an Arab Gulf country in which people's rights are being constantly ignored and insulted yet the whole society is silent.

No.not every Muslim Country's Islamic Values.The countries you mention are known for their human rights violations.You hate Islam,and we get it.But pulling every single country under the bracket of this supposed religion,is plain wrong.This Isnt Islam,Christinaty,Judaism,Hinduism,or any other religion.No religion preaches the values that you conveniently associated with Islam.Just because you cant see those values,does not make any religion,or the values that it carries,wrong.

Even if you stick to looking at everything from the point of view of the countries that you've mentioned,that does not make the religion itself bad.It's like saying that because Serie A was engaged in match fixing means that football worldwide is engaged in match fixing.

Have you ever even been to Pakistan?India?Malaysia?Indonesia?Malaysia etc?Or do you just watch too much TV?

I'm not implying that these countries are ideal Islamic Countries,where Islam is practiced the way it was originally meant to be,but you're limiting yourself to all that you see in your country,and judging every country from the same barometer.Pakistan,India etc dont follow the same Fascist Islamic regimes that you've seen in your counties,or the counties that you're using to support your argument,so your entire line about every Islamic Country out there having 'Islamic Values' as you put,just falls flat.

 

[Sadomin]

No.not every Muslim Country's Islamic Values.The countries you mention are known for their human rights violations.You hate Islam,and we get it.But pulling every single country under the bracket of this supposed religion,is plain wrong.This Isnt Islam,Christinaty,Judaism,Hinduism,or any other religion.No religion preaches the values that you conveniently associated with Islam.Just because you cant see those values,does not make any religion,or the values that it carries,wrong.

Even if you stick to looking at everything from the point of view of the countries that you've mentioned,that does not make the religion itself bad.It's like saying that because Serie A was engaged in match fixing means that football worldwide is engaged in match fixing.

Have you ever even been to Pakistan?India?Malaysia?Indonesia?Malaysia etc?Or do you just watch too much TV?

I'm not implying that these countries are ideal Islamic Countries,where Islam is practiced the way it was originally meant to be,but you're limiting yourself to all that you see in your country,and judging every country from the same barometer.Pakistan,India etc dont follow the same Fascist Islamic regimes that you've seen in your counties,or the counties that you're using to support your argument,so your entire line about every Islamic Country out there having 'Islamic Values' as you put,just falls flat.

Malaysia seems to be so fantastic that you had to name it twice.

Malaysia delays caning beer woman

The caning of a Malaysian woman for drinking beer has been delayed until after Ramadan, officials have said.

Kartika Sari Dewa Shukarno pleaded guilty to the offence under Malaysia's Islamic law and was to have received six strokes of a rattan cane this week.

She will be the first woman in Malaysia to be punished in such a way, but has not appealed against her sentence.

Malaysia's majority Malays are subject to Islamic laws, while the large Chinese and Indian minorities are not.

Confusion

A van picked her up from her northern Malaysian home on Monday, to put her in detention so that she could be caned sometime this week.

But an official in charge of religious affairs, Mohamad Sahfri Abdul Aziz, intervened at the last minute, reportedly for compassionate reasons on the advice of the attorney general.

It was initially reported that her sentence had been overturned and Ms Kartika would not be caned.

The caning is now to be carried out around mid-September after Ramadan, the Islamic holy month of fasting and prayer, ends.

There has also been confusion about Malaysia's rules governing the conditions of caning.

Prison rules require anyone who is to be caned to be in detention first.

But legal experts had said at the weekend that it was not right to detain Ms Kartika as she had not been given a jail sentence by the Islamic court.

Ms Kartika, a 32-year old trained nurse and mother of two, asked last week that her caning be administered in public.

She had told reporters she was calm about the prospect and was willing to be caned because she respected the law.

Islamic authorities claim that the purpose of the caning is to educate rather than punish.

Amnesty International had urged authorities to revoke the sentence and abolish the practice of caning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8217440.stm

Brilliant.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Generalizations,generalizations,generalizations.

Does one penalty kick miss by Del Piero weigh stronger than all the other goals he has scored?Going by the logic people use here,it probably does.

Also :

Woman, 32, found guilty of raping woman

A 32-year-old woman has been found guilty of the rape of another woman by the Gothenburg District Court.

* Outspoken prosecutor taken off rape cases (20 Aug 09)
* Girl, 14, gang raped on internet date (20 Aug 09)
* Prosecutor reported over rape comments (17 Aug 09)

The court ordered for the 32-year-old to be cared for at secure psychiatric institution after a psychological evaluation found that she suffers from a serious psychiatric disorder.

The 32-year-old attacked the young woman in April at the Redbergsplatsen square, located in the city’s Olskroken district.

Having pulled her victim to the ground by her hair, the 32-year-old straddled the other woman and inserted several fingers into her vagina.

The court considered that the woman’s actions were tantamount to intercourse meaning that the crime could be classified as rape. The fact that the perpetrator was a woman was of no importance as the legislation on the matter is gender neutral, the court said.

Elisabet Kwarnmark, a psychologist and psychotherapist who has worked with sex criminals for three decades, said cases of this kind were practically unheard of. It was the first time she had ever come across the rape of a woman by another woman in Sweden.

"Female sex offenders are extremely rare. In the last ten years four women have been convicted of rape in Sweden. Any cases that come under investigation deal almost exclusively with children who are close [to the perpetrator] or rapes that also involve a man," Kwarnmark told newspaper Göteborgs-Posten

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Now you see,ALL women in Sweden rape ALL women.Right?

 

[Sadomin]

Eh? What?

The Malaysian government (which you brought up as an example of good Islamic governship) wants to cane a woman for drinking beer, while the Swedish authorities sentence a rapist to jail.

How is that the same thing? If anything, you just advertised for Sweden.

 

[HelterSkelter]

The example was about how you dont judge everything about how a country is run based on a few incidents.You dont call the religion,the people,or every religion based thing in a country extremist based on some random examples.

And the Malaysia,Pakistan,India etc examples were meant to show these countries dont have the same hardline Islamic Regimes like you do in the countires Hoori brought up.And yeah,this one example from you doesnt state otherwise.

 

[Sadomin]

Wait? You changed your mind? What happened to:

I fucked up

Thought I didn't see it?

 

[HelterSkelter]

It took me a little time to come up with an argument,but Fuck You

 

[king Ale]

No.not every Muslim Country's Islamic Values.The countries you mention are known for their human rights violations.You hate Islam,and we get it.But pulling every single country under the bracket of this supposed religion,is plain wrong.This Isnt Islam,Christinaty,Judaism,Hinduism,or any other religion.No religion preaches the values that you conveniently associated with Islam.Just because you cant see those values,does not make any religion,or the values that it carries,wrong.

Even if you stick to looking at everything from the point of view of the countries that you've mentioned,that does not make the religion itself bad.It's like saying that because Serie A was engaged in match fixing means that football worldwide is engaged in match fixing.

Have you ever even been to Pakistan?India?Malaysia?Indonesia?Malaysia etc?Or do you just watch too much TV?

I'm not implying that these countries are ideal Islamic Countries,where Islam is practiced the way it was originally meant to be,but you're limiting yourself to all that you see in your country,and judging every country from the same barometer.Pakistan,India etc dont follow the same Fascist Islamic regimes that you've seen in your counties,or the counties that you're using to support your argument,so your entire line about every Islamic Country out there having 'Islamic Values' as you put,just falls flat.

Read what I said once again and read what I've endlessly tried to say in the religions' threads. I'm exactly trying to point out that what we see in Islamic countries is not the Islam of Mohammad and is not what Mohammad's religion was supposed to grant to the people. I've always been saying that all this turmoil and underdevelopment in the Islamic world is the direct outcome of wrong perceptions from Islam and its instructions alongside with sticking to some rules which did have a point in over 1000 years ago but need to get changed and adjusted if they are about to fulfill the true purposes of Mohammad's religion back then.

No, I don't hate Islam nor do I hate any religion of itself. I really don't know how you came up with that but I have no problem to say that I hate the way Islamic countries are being governed and I hate the way Muslims are living with some delusions waiting for God's miracles falling upon them. I hate the way they stick to the most unimportant details while forgetting about the main picture.

Someone is drawing a caricature, you see Muslims all over the streets cursing him but if at the same time, a boy gets raped in a prison in an Islamic country, they remain silent. Someone is writing a book denouncing Islam, you see Muslims everywhere getting ready to behead him but at the same time, they're okay with their leaders and sheiks making palaces from oil while leaving their people in poverty. How many poor people have we rescued by feeling their hunger and thirst in Ramazan? How many steps have we moved forward by "purifying" our souls? How much have we been successful in bringing justice to our countries by protesting against contemptuous caricatures, books and stuff? Wasn't Islam supposed to bring us some human values? Where are them? Why can't I see them? I don't blame Islam per se. In fact, when you get to explore through Qoran and its verses and when you understand the points which had been behind them all, you gotta love it considering the fact that it was a book which descended upon people of thousands of years ago, which made an illiterate and ignorant Arab society bloom. What has happened to it during the time? We, the Muslims, have changed it to something which not only doesn't turn us to better people (and our societies to better places to live) but quite the opposite, it actually keeps us from extending justice, freedom and equality throughout our societies. Weren't these three values the ones Mohammad had fought for?

You know what Salman, we are fasting. We refuse eating pork and alcohol. We refuse having premarital sex. Our women are covering themselves in burqas. We're going to hajj. We're praying. Why are we living in shit then? Because those stuff are ALL we have learned from Islam. We've forgotten that we had also been supposed to raise our voices against oppression and injustice. To get educated and informed. To fight for people's rights. To help those who need our help. To forgive. Jasper considers fasting as a difficult thing to do but for me, it's the easiest one Qoran has ordered to. The difficult ones are the ones we easily ignore and this is why you can't see one single Islamic country which is close to an ideal one.

 

[HelterSkelter]

I think you should your term from 'Islamic Values' to 'State Preached Islamic Values' then.Because 'Islamic Values' reflect upon what the religion actually asks you to do,and not what is being done in the cases that you talk about,especially since you agree that what is being currently,is not how Islamic is actually supposed to be.

 

[Seven]

Generalizations,generalizations,generalizations.

Does one penalty kick miss by Del Piero weigh stronger than all the other goals he has scored?Going by the logic people use here,it probably does.

Also :

Woman, 32, found guilty of raping woman

A 32-year-old woman has been found guilty of the rape of another woman by the Gothenburg District Court.

* Outspoken prosecutor taken off rape cases (20 Aug 09)
* Girl, 14, gang raped on internet date (20 Aug 09)
* Prosecutor reported over rape comments (17 Aug 09)

The court ordered for the 32-year-old to be cared for at secure psychiatric institution after a psychological evaluation found that she suffers from a serious psychiatric disorder.

The 32-year-old attacked the young woman in April at the Redbergsplatsen square, located in the city’s Olskroken district.

Having pulled her victim to the ground by her hair, the 32-year-old straddled the other woman and inserted several fingers into her vagina.

The court considered that the woman’s actions were tantamount to intercourse meaning that the crime could be classified as rape. The fact that the perpetrator was a woman was of no importance as the legislation on the matter is gender neutral, the court said.

Elisabet Kwarnmark, a psychologist and psychotherapist who has worked with sex criminals for three decades, said cases of this kind were practically unheard of. It was the first time she had ever come across the rape of a woman by another woman in Sweden.

"Female sex offenders are extremely rare. In the last ten years four women have been convicted of rape in Sweden. Any cases that come under investigation deal almost exclusively with children who are close [to the perpetrator] or rapes that also involve a man," Kwarnmark told newspaper Göteborgs-Posten

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Now you see,ALL women in Sweden rape ALL women.Right?

What the fuck is your point?

Malaysia canes a woman for drinking beer and Sweden sends a rapist to jail.

What exactly do you think you're proving here?

And he wasn't generalising. You named a few examples of countries to prove someone else generalised. You would have scored your point if Malaysia had had an impeccable record, but Sadomin pointed out they didn't.

What the fuck is this, salman?

 

[HelterSkelter]

Post Number 33.

 

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