Gulf Gusher Could Be Major Black Swan (2 Viewers)

[JuveJay]

That's what I mean, perhaps the terminology he uses seems normal for the eventuality. When he says those things I picture shorelines covered thick in oil, tens of thousands of animals and fish killed, and the fishing industry dead for years. He talks of an environmental disaster, I see more of a financial one. Although total cleanup could take many years in terms of absolute cleanliness of flora and fauna, people will still eat the seafood and vacation there in good time, because there will be little or no visible sign.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Thousands of animals could have been killed.

 

[JuveJay]

Ok we are getting somewhere now, so why weren't they?

 

[Bjerknes]

They might have been. I don't have the numbers.

But you're pretty much wrong with your original point.

 

[JuveJay]

Ok, so Obama's claims weren't slightly exaggerated in any way?

 

[Bjerknes]

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"the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced,"

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"epidemic, one that we'll be fighting for months and even years."

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"In the same way that our view of our vulnerabilities and our foreign policy was shaped profoundly by 9/11, I think this disaster is going to shape how we think about the environment and energy for many years to come,"

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"This is an assault on our shores and we're going to fight back with everything we've got,"

Again, what is wrong with what he said here?

You have provided NOTHING that even remotely proves your point. Did Obama say that the gulf will turn into an oil lagoon and that people will die if they head down there, a quote that I missed or something?

You're just clutching at straws, trying to shift the blame from BP to Obama for some odd reason.

 

[JuveJay]

It's actually irritating how you keep making that stupid accusation at the end, nowhere do I say that so don't bother making it up. Maybe by the letter his claims are all correct, although I don't agree and historians have debated it, but it was also part of a large deflective PR campaign under pressure from the Republicans who claimed he wasn't doing enough.

A bigger environmental disaster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

Worst oil disaster, debatable in terms of the environment, we don't know yet. Worst man-made environmental disaster, debatable again. It's coming down to economics now.

 

[Bjerknes]

It isn't debatable. This was bigger than the Exxon-Valdez.

 

[Bjerknes]

What... the... fuck.

OK, if this isn't going to fire up the black helicopter tinfoil, I don't know what will.

Matt Simmons, the guy who has continually said that another leak from the same well exists a few miles away from the original blowout, has been found dead in his swimming pool.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

You can't write this stuff.

 

[JuveJay]

Bigger in terms of spillage is not what Obama said. Crazy shit about that Simmons guy.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

What... the... fuck.

OK, if this isn't going to fire up the black helicopter tinfoil, I don't know what will.

Matt Simmons, the guy who has continually said that another leak from the same well exists a few miles away from the original blowout, has been found dead in his swimming pool.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

You can't write this stuff.

That's craziness...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Quote:
"the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced,"

Quote:
"epidemic, one that we'll be fighting for months and even years."

Quote:
"In the same way that our view of our vulnerabilities and our foreign policy was shaped profoundly by 9/11, I think this disaster is going to shape how we think about the environment and energy for many years to come,"

Quote:
"This is an assault on our shores and we're going to fight back with everything we've got,"

Again, what is wrong with what he said here?

You have provided NOTHING that even remotely proves your point. Did Obama say that the gulf will turn into an oil lagoon and that people will die if they head down there, a quote that I missed or something?

You're just clutching at straws, trying to shift the blame from BP to Obama for some odd reason.

Wait, what is going on, is this kid trying to say it was Obama's fault and not BP's?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

That's what I mean, perhaps the terminology he uses seems normal for the eventuality. When he says those things I picture shorelines covered thick in oil, tens of thousands of animals and fish killed, and the fishing industry dead for years. He talks of an environmental disaster, I see more of a financial one. Although total cleanup could take many years in terms of absolute cleanliness of flora and fauna, people will still eat the seafood and vacation there in good time, because there will be little or no visible sign.

Relative, that could be 2 months or 50 years.

Thousands of animals could have been killed.

Thousands were killed...

If not hundreds of thousands...

 

[Bjerknes]

He said that Obama "deserves as much blame as anyone" for what has happened to the people of the Gulf, trying to claim that Obama should be blamed for local economies losing business.

I can agree with the point if Obama said that folks should avoid traveling to the Gulf, but otherwise he's simply telling the public the truth, which is actually a change in policy.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

What... the... fuck.

OK, if this isn't going to fire up the black helicopter tinfoil, I don't know what will.

Matt Simmons, the guy who has continually said that another leak from the same well exists a few miles away from the original blowout, has been found dead in his swimming pool.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

You can't write this stuff.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

He said that Obama "deserves as much blame as anyone" for what has happened to the people of the Gulf, trying to claim that Obama should be blamed for local economies losing business.

I can agree with the point if Obama said that folks should avoid traveling to the Gulf, but otherwise he's simply telling the public the truth, which is actually a change in policy.

That's dumb.

 

[swag]

Thousands of animals could have been killed.

Al Roker's gastric bypass suddenly fail?

What... the... fuck.

OK, if this isn't going to fire up the black helicopter tinfoil, I don't know what will.

Matt Simmons, the guy who has continually said that another leak from the same well exists a few miles away from the original blowout, has been found dead in his swimming pool.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

You can't write this stuff.

Too bad there wasn't some major spillage from Luca Toni's hair in his pool.

He said that Obama "deserves as much blame as anyone" for what has happened to the people of the Gulf, trying to claim that Obama should be blamed for local economies losing business.

Because what this country needs are more bailouts.

 

[JuveJay]

He said that Obama "deserves as much blame as anyone" for what has happened to the people of the Gulf, trying to claim that Obama should be blamed for local economies losing business.

I can agree with the point if Obama said that folks should avoid traveling to the Gulf, but otherwise he's simply telling the public the truth, which is actually a change in policy.

Nope, I said Obama and his administration was as much to blame for loss of tourism to the Gulf, by overstating the environmental impact. Anyway, I'll leave it there as this is going around in circles, it'll be interesting to see what the next steps are.